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Mach929 09-23-2007 10:26 PM

mazda did switch coils somewhere in the 90-93 cars, i think it might have been in between 92 and 93

cjernigan 09-23-2007 10:39 PM

Cool stuff, sounds good. Things go through this forum in fads it seems. Everyone jumps on megasquirt, a little WI, then COPs, what's next?

neogenesis2004 09-23-2007 11:44 PM

hopefully some fucking turbos!

Ben 09-24-2007 04:23 PM

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All cleaned up. Everything was fine when I started the car. Went for a ride, and the tach died. Everything else is fine. Tach works with original ignition. So there must be a loose connection. I'll deal with that later.

The 'stray' wire is an extra ground I ran from the harness, but haven't done anything with it yet. Figured I'd see how it works without the ground first.

SOL General 09-24-2007 05:27 PM

I that one mine?

jayc72 09-24-2007 05:34 PM

Anyone know a decent source for the ignitor module? Or have one for sale?

firedog25 09-24-2007 05:43 PM

Where'd you get hte plug that goes to the ignition piece?

Ben 09-24-2007 06:16 PM

AND.... we're done. Had a bad connection. You see, most of the joints in this harness were soldered. But in what I'll concede was not one of my smarter moments, I decided to play the "Is this hot?" game with something after I soldered it. I just wasn't paying attention, and when the burn came, it startled me and I dropped the iron, which broke the tip. That forced me to butt connect the few remaining joints. TWO of those butt connects had bad connections. I'll also not be taping everything up anymore :fawk:
But we're fixed up, and it's all working now.

SOL,
http://www.cagetoday.com/wp-content/...-up-sucker.jpg
I've got your coils and ignitor here.

Jay, the ignitors can be had for around $25 from the typical used parts places

fire, i made the plug out of a gutted ignitor. you can see the shell in the very first pic in this thread.

Joe Perez 09-24-2007 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 155223)
Mine didn't come out pretty like Joe Perez's, but it did come out successfully.

And that would of course differentiate it from mine, which didn't work at all. I got pretty lazy towards the end and didn't really put any effort into troubleshooting it. I wonder if perhaps I wired my triggers backwards as well? Guess I could check that easily enough... Quick project for this evening.

Ben 09-24-2007 06:42 PM

Joe did it just spin and never catch? If so, your triggers are probably backwards. Here's how mine work:
Trigger 1 as labeled on the ignitor goes to Coil 1 (and 4)
Trigger 2 as lableled on the ignitor goes to Coil 2 (and 3)

I didn't post pics of my solder job because yours looked sooo much nicer. But I feel better about it now. :)

Joe Perez 09-24-2007 08:54 PM


Originally Posted by Ben (Post 155677)
Joe did it just spin and never catch? If so, your triggers are probably backwards.

Yup. The engine just spun, with no sign of ignition whatsoever. The reversal scenario confuses me somewhat, because I'd expect that a spark plug firing at BDC after a cylinder's intake stroke would be able to light off the uncompressed mixture, which should in theory bend a rod. Oh well. I'll try reversing them when I get chance.

Ben 09-24-2007 10:19 PM

yeah it's scary as f@@@ actually. my engine spun fast like normal but without starting, then it took a REAL SLOW revolution and then a real fast one again. I had real bad thoughts in my head. But I flipped the COPs around, and it fired immediately. And I made it to HomeDepot and back just fine. :bigtu:

Ben 09-25-2007 12:35 PM

I set my gaps to .040-.041, increased boost via EBC to the settings from my dyno tuning, and went for it. It hits 13psi or so and holds 12 to redline.

I got ONE misfire, the first time I went into boost. The rest of the time, no problem on WOT through 1-2-3, no problem on pulls from 2.5k in 3rd or 4th, no problem stabbing the throttle in 5th.

I'll probably set the gaps back to the .037 range or so, to be safe. They were .027 before. Which is smaller than I remembered setting them, but a gauge doesn't tell any lies.

jayc72 09-25-2007 12:39 PM

The wiring diagram that Lazer posted is incorrect for some cars then? The wrong set of coils is firing correct?

Braineack 09-25-2007 12:57 PM

i followed the 1.6L diagram to a tee and mine fired on the correct cycles....

Ben 09-25-2007 12:58 PM

it was backwards for me. also my ignitor had different labels on it for the triggers than the one in lazzer's pic. i have a early build 91 longnose.

jayc72 09-25-2007 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 156048)
i followed the 1.6L diagram to a tee and mine fired on the correct cycles....

You've got a 93 right?

Braineack 09-25-2007 01:09 PM

yep.

Ben 09-25-2007 03:56 PM

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m2cupcar 09-25-2007 04:17 PM

Ben you're going CR on us. I vote NO on the split loom. Don't you have some of the split smooth vinyl stuff? Looks like you've got hoses running to your cops now. You could run the hoses to your coil pack. :gay:


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