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Old 02-22-2008, 06:35 PM   #1
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Default Flyin Miatas new coilovers...

http://flyinmiata.com/index.php?dept...umber=13-16200

Looks promising, and good competition for 949's Monoflex and the new Ohlins suspension.

offered with a standard 450/300 spring rate but it sounds like these shocks can handle a lot more!

may have to start saving
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Old 02-22-2008, 06:36 PM   #2
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$2k = **** that
Why pay Keith's development costs so he can go play?
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Old 02-22-2008, 06:47 PM   #3
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monoflex are 1700, ohlins are pretty much 2k as well.

i dont see the problem, aside from not liking FM so much...

unless of course, when the full details are released, they dont offer up the same features and advantages as the other setups...
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interesting design, but i would prefer the 949 coilovers. those dont look too beefy to me, maybe good for lightweight savings?
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i believe thats just a stock photo, if you read the description it says they wont have real photos until may when the production units are finished
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very interesting indeed, arm/leg price tag, but look very promising
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I think the major benefit of these shocks compared to the ohlins/jics/flex is the amount of droop and bump travel they have. Atleast that's what i assume from looking at the targamiata.com photos showing the amount of travel it had at full compression and droop.
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I think the major benefit of these shocks compared to the ohlins/jics/flex is the amount of droop and bump travel they have. Atleast that's what i assume from looking at the targamiata.com photos showing the amount of travel it had at full compression and droop.
That sounds like it. My JICs have only a few inches of droop. My full droop wheel gap with JICs in the air is smaller than my stock ride height wheel gap on the ground. I'll have to keep this in mind when the time comes to replace mine.
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Interesting, if they are anywhere near as good as promised that's a fair price, and I'd strongly concider picking up a set. Especially with the high banking and, sharp rough transitions my local track has in 4 spots, I've lifted inside tires on stock suspension and old compound azenis before.
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I'd bet the AFCOs are an honest 2k without too ridiculous of a markup. They're custom valved racing shocks. For a full miata compatible solution, that's pretty good.

Especially when you consider they were probably designed with lengths that are ideal for a miata. Not like the TEIN which are too short and not optimal in my opinion. I read his blog on how the lengths were tuned. It's interesting.

Honestly, if they are what they claim to be, I might consider trading in my FLEX / EFDC on these. I love the idea of using the full amount of travel. And aluminum shock bodies. Reminiscent of my previous Advance Designs but with a real company behind them. The A-Ds also had length issues. at 12.5" you were virtually on the bumps.

Anyway, shock sex.
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I read through the shock development on targamiata.com a couple months ago. It looked quite interesting. Were there updates since a couple months ago?
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I'd bet the AFCOs are an honest 2k without too ridiculous of a markup. They're custom valved racing shocks. For a full miata compatible solution, that's pretty good.

Especially when you consider they were probably designed with lengths that are ideal for a miata. Not like the TEIN which are too short and not optimal in my opinion. I read his blog on how the lengths were tuned. It's interesting.

Honestly, if they are what they claim to be, I might consider trading in my FLEX / EFDC on these. I love the idea of using the full amount of travel. And aluminum shock bodies. Reminiscent of my previous Advance Designs but with a real company behind them. The A-Ds also had length issues. at 12.5" you were virtually on the bumps.

Anyway, shock sex.

exactly. being able to utilize all of the available shock travel is something im definitely interested in. im looking to change out my setup pretty soon so this looks like a great option...
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rather get FatCat to custom build me something
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The shocks he actually used on the car:

Full droop:

Full compression:

Can you say holy travel batman?
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the secret is the raised bump stop thingy. It's the only real way to get more stroke out of the long shock suspension.
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The A-Ds also had length issues. at 12.5" you were virtually on the bumps.
AD don't have length issues if you were using them with what they were designed for - the FM top hats. They were designed for max droop, and at full compression the tires would hit the wheel wells sooner than these go out of travel ...
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The shocks he actually used on the car:




Blah. Another ones which don't have floating perches but have the springs resting vs the chassis instead ...








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Old 02-23-2008, 05:57 PM   #18
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Here is Miata suspension done right ...

Front lower:




Front upper:







Rear lower:




Rear upper:

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Nice to see they have rear uppers that are raised
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AD don't have length issues if you were using them with what they were designed for - the FM top hats. They were designed for max droop, and at full compression the tires would hit the wheel wells sooner than these go out of travel ...
I'm pretty sure the AD shocks had nothing to do with the FM top hats--or if it did, it was a secret nobody told me. And I doubt FM would have sold them incomplete. And if they did, they suck.

Anyway, I used them with the NB top mounts which was almost a huge failure. Ground Control/FM sent me the shocks with 6" front springs. I guess as a joke. Because with the perch at the top and the NB mounts, the car was tucking about an inch and a half of tire up front. ******* awesome.

Anyway the shocks behaved well but I decided to try the flex. I think I prefer the ride of the AD monotubes in general though. Hate the company behind them though (GC).
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