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Old 02-25-2008, 10:50 AM   #41
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all the **** in this thread is why I bought Bilstein / GC. I'm not a ******* engineer, so I wanted a good pairing at 450/375 lb/in that someone could set up without an accelerometer and calculus...which I swore off since college.
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Old 02-25-2008, 11:35 AM   #42
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So no direct comparisons then?

The theoretical difference in damping function between the two is precision at tiny shaft movements and hysteresis, not necessarily ride quality. Past any shaft movements large enough to flow oil through the orifices instead of compressing the nitrogen charge, the monotube will absolutely have higher performance potential.

Another concern for a performance damper is that twin tubes only operate when oriented vertically so shaking them around in a high G environment is more likely to generate aeration of the damping fluid.

Anyway, no suprise that $3500 AD's rode better than $1300 Tein's and also not suprising that any Bilstein rode better than any Koni.
To be fair the AD were 399 plus springs at 50 each. Not significantly different than other retail high end coilover kits.

I did do a direct comparison between the TEIN HA on Jason C's car and my ADs. We sat them side by side and opened the doors and pushed down. The TEINs were cadillac soft and the AD barely moved. I think I had more tire flex. I think my rates were 375/225 compared to his 7/5--fairly close.

His car had better traction on rough surfaces but mine had better body control.

I think this is Turn 8 @ Thunderhill with the AD setup

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all the **** in this thread is why I bought Bilstein / GC. I'm not a ******* engineer, so I wanted a good pairing at 450/375 lb/in that someone could set up without an accelerometer and calculus...which I swore off since college.
Don't forget tire pyrometer, tire pressure gauge, data aquisition with GPS, in car video and of course propeller beanie cap
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whatever, overated. Turbos + stock suspension = winner:

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Even better are the LS1 conversions on stock shocks. I LOVE THAT!
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:36 PM   #46
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Don't forget tire pyrometer, tire pressure gauge, data aquisition with GPS, in car video and of course propeller beanie cap
I actually have a tire pyrometer, the circle of friends has 3 GPS based loggers, and a few cams floating around...but no propeller beanie...lol.

Seriously though. Even when running 10-15 track days per year, I would probably have a hard time setting anything up to improve over my bilstein/GC. If I had the cash I'd probably buy ohlins or AD.

I've never run a session where I couldn't keep up with another 2100lb miata in the corners regardless of suspension (aside from hoosier equipped cars of course).
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hefty brakes can mean as much as a turbo on the right track.
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hefty brakes can mean as much as a turbo on the right track.
if you're overheating the friction bits.
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