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Old 01-05-2009, 03:03 PM   #1
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Default How many miles on your WBO2 Sensor?

I can safely say I have less then 3k miles on my WBO2 sensor and I think it has taken a ****. Sometimes it will work for the day, sometimes it will crap out in 5 min. No amount of reset calibrations, or heater or free air calibrations will make it work for a decent amount of time.

Ran perfectly fine until a couple of months ago, and now nothing but problems. Error 8, and frozen readings.
Seems Error 8 is the only code the LC1 knows how to throw.

Luckily I got a autozone that stocks em, but really dont want to spend 70 bucks.

If you have an LC1, or even a Wideband, are you still on the original sensor or had to change it?
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Sensor for my AEM is about a year old. No problems here.
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I had about 10k on my AEM when I replaced it (with an LC-1) owing to problems with the controller itself. The sensor seemed to still be working fine.

Funny how some people seem to have no end of grief with the LC-1, where others suffer no ills from it at all. Time shall tell, I expect, but mine's been problem-free thus far.
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Yea, the LC1 is a problematic bitch to say the least but I think its mostly from improper installation. I wouldnt buy another, thats for sure.

But after it was installed correctly it was flawless, but now its all pointing to the sensor.
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about 15k on my UEGO sensor. Original sensor went bad about a year or 2 ago.

I had an LM-1. Went through sensors like crazy insane. I must have bought at least 5 sensors for it over the span of 2 years or so.
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I dont understand why the innovate cant do the freeair on its own like the UEGO, using the built in reference resistor on the sensor.
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I have 55K on my Zeitronix and sensor. No problems.
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I have 30K on my original sensor with my AEM UEGO. My LC1 sensor took a **** after a week of use.
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You guys aren't instilling any confidence in the LC-1 that I am about to install. CRAP!
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I have a PLX M300 that I've had on two different cars over 3 years and probably ~15k miles of use with absolutely no problems.

I would definately recommend it, I know the LC1 is cheaper but I'ver heard of too many people having problems with them...
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You guys aren't instilling any confidence in the LC-1 that I am about to install. CRAP!
If you don't install it now, you can still resell it as NEW

I'd consider it. You can get a new UEGO for $200
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If you don't install it now, you can still resell it as NEW

I'd consider it. You can get a new UEGO for $200
Nah - I bought it slightly used, but it did come with a backup sensor and the gauge for $150. I'll test my luck with it.
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I've posted this before, but since guys with 3800 posts don't know how to search:

Amazon.com: Bosch 17014 Oxygen Sensor: Automotive

A review mentions this might have a different connector, so take that into consideration. Or go to the Innovate forum and see the new part number and buy it on Amazon.

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That's the correct part number.

Guess ill pick one up.

As for everyone else, don't buy innovate.
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You guys aren't instilling any confidence in the LC-1 that I am about to install. CRAP!
How do I say this gently? All the folks who are having trouble with their LC-1 are retards.

In all seriousness. The LC-1 is sensitive to supply voltage. Wire it in a way that it is not energized during cranking. Mine takes power from the battery through a relay that's switched by the radio's supply. It's also important that the LC1 be grounded to the same ground as the ECU, as close as possible to the ECU. Satisfy those two concerns, and don't mount the sensor too close to the engine, and I doubt you'll have much trouble.
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Ran perfectly fine until a couple of months ago, and now nothing but problems.
haven't you run into a few misfiring situations recently? don't you think it's possible that the extra fuel fouled the sensor? maybe it's not a product quality issue.....maybe it was damaged during your spark problem. just a thought.
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My LC-1 started having repeated E8 codes after a few months of use. It steadily got worse and worse. I Checked everything, tried different power sources, updated the firmware, did full recalibrations, installed the heat sink, etc. etc.

Finally I sent it back to Innovate. They tested the LC-1 and said it was fine, but the sensor might be bad. I replaced the sensor with a new one, and have had no problems since. There is a small chance I might have damaged the first sensor but cannot be certain. We will see how long this new one lasts.

+1 on above - I bought my sensor through Amazon.
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How do I say this gently? All the folks who are having trouble with their LC-1 are retards.

In all seriousness. The LC-1 is sensitive to supply voltage. Wire it in a way that it is not energized during cranking. Mine takes power from the battery through a relay that's switched by the radio's supply. It's also important that the LC1 be grounded to the same ground as the ECU, as close as possible to the ECU. Satisfy those two concerns, and don't mount the sensor too close to the engine, and I doubt you'll have much trouble.

Joe,

You have been a fountain of flowing knowledge for me the last 2 days! Thanks for the tip.

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Where are you guys grounding your lc-1's at? I grounded it just like the PNP manual suggests (stacked on the terminal under the TB with the ecu grounds) but i'm getting different readings in megatune than on my guage.

Hustler also pointed out to me that in the lc-1's manual it specifically says not to stack grounds like this, which I did notice the first time I read it but dismissed the info... So I need to find a more proper way to ground it...

Also, does anyone know if the connector for the power window circuit that lays under our center console is powered under cranking? I read in an old post that it was not but I just wanted to confirm. My volt meter took a crap on me last week. Thanks guys

edit...sorry for the threadjack, just thought here would be a great place to ask since so many here had the lc-1

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How do I say this gently? All the folks who are having trouble with their LC-1 are retards.
------ please.

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haven't you run into a few misfiring situations recently? don't you think it's possible that the extra fuel fouled the sensor? maybe it's not a product quality issue.....maybe it was damaged during your spark problem. just a thought.
The problems started occurring before this.
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