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Old 04-02-2010, 02:18 AM   #1
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Default Just showing off my reroute, I know like we need another.

Here some pics of it on my 2000, was a royal PITA but its now done and If I have to say so my self it looks good!



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Don't forget you ground that spacer to the head as you have now isolated it with gaskets. I just took a male spade connector and rammed it in between the exposed bolt on the top of the spacer and used a ring connector and grounded it on the bolt that holds the bracket across the back of the head (aka the bolt that is missing right above the top bolt of the spacer).
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Good tip, Doppelbanger. I'll implement it.
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Don't forget you ground that spacer to the head as you have now isolated it with gaskets. I just took a male spade connector and rammed it in between the exposed bolt on the top of the spacer and used a ring connector and grounded it on the bolt that holds the bracket across the back of the head (aka the bolt that is missing right above the top bolt of the spacer).
Stupid question, why??
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Don't forget you ground that spacer to the head as you have now isolated it with gaskets. I just took a male spade connector and rammed it in between the exposed bolt on the top of the spacer and used a ring connector and grounded it on the bolt that holds the bracket across the back of the head (aka the bolt that is missing right above the top bolt of the spacer).
EXCELLENT POINT SIR!
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Now your idea might not work either...the bolt is touching the waterneck but not the spacer, there is a gasket in between the spacer and the waterneck.

Hmmmmmm........whats everyone else do?
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Another point...and I could be wrong but the 99-00 temp sensor is a 3 wire sensor and uses two for signal is one not for ground in the plug?
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I bet this would be simpler. What if you you just jammed something in between the bolt and the spacer or wrapped the bolt with something so it touched the spacer. Than the spacer would ground to the bolt.

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Yeah, you could jam something between the bolt and the spacer since the bolt goes into the head, but I added a grounding wire just to ensure a ground. Logic says the 3-wire sensor has a ground, but I found out for myself the it needs to be grounded to the engine. I did my RR and fought a bouncing temp gauge for a week before finding the solution was to ground the spacer. It almost seems as if the ground wire is for the ECU voltage and the sensor itself being a ground is for the gauge output because when I did data logging to verify temps, they were rock solid when viewed on a laptop but the gauge was still all over the place.

-EDIT NOTE- For everyone else, remember that my car is a 02 and uses the 3-wire temp sensor. I am not sure as to the sensor used on the 94-97 and I knoew this hsould not be an issue on the 90-93.
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3 wire sensor, I'm not going to look it up, but typically that's a 5v ref, sensor ground return, and signal to ecm. I don't think the threads ground to anything.
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Well good news is the car is running well.

Checked the sensor with a meter and its somehow grounded (must have hit the bolt). So I will leave it as is for now. Think in the future when I remove the coil pack and cam cover I'll just tap a short screw in there and ground a wire to be sure.
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Who made your spacer? If it was cheap I might want to pick one up for my reroute on my 01 head.
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3 wire sensor, I'm not going to look it up, but typically that's a 5v ref, sensor ground return, and signal to ecm. I don't think the threads ground to anything.
You might not think it, but I found out personally and know for a fact that the 99+ sensor needs to be grounded to the engine
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Yeah after reading that **** I did the same. Managed to find a big *** ring terminal that would fit over the thread of the temp sensor, and another one for one of the two bolts going into the head. It looks rather silly though cause I'm running 2 gauge wire so it would crimp properly. VERY overkill, more grounding than the rest of the whole engine!
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3 wire sensor, I'm not going to look it up, but typically that's a 5v ref, sensor ground return, and signal to ecm. I don't think the threads ground to anything.
The three-wire sensor on the NB cars is actually two sensors in a single body.

One is the sensor that feeds the ECU. This one has both the signal and ground lines brought out to the connector. The other is the sensor that feeds the gauge on the instrument panel. This one goes to ground through the sensor body.

Schematically, this is identical to the sensor arrangement on all of the NAs, where there were two separate sensors for these functions, with the ECU sensor having two wires (signal and ground) and the one for the gauge having a single wire and grounding through the thread.

Oh, and I'm not aware of ANY temp sensor in an automotive application where 5v ref comes in as a unique signal. On every one I've seen, the current-limited reference gets applied to the signal line inside the ECU. The sensor then forms one half of a voltage divider (the current limiting resistor being the other half) and the resultant voltage between the two is the signal.
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Yeah, you could jam something between the bolt and the spacer since the bolt goes into the head, but I added a grounding wire just to ensure a ground. Logic says the 3-wire sensor has a ground, but I found out for myself the it needs to be grounded to the engine. I did my RR and fought a bouncing temp gauge for a week before finding the solution was to ground the spacer. It almost seems as if the ground wire is for the ECU voltage and the sensor itself being a ground is for the gauge output because when I did data logging to verify temps, they were rock solid when viewed on a laptop but the gauge was still all over the place.

-EDIT NOTE- For everyone else, remember that my car is a 02 and uses the 3-wire temp sensor. I am not sure as to the sensor used on the 94-97 and I knoew this hsould not be an issue on the 90-93.
Dammit - you are my hero. I have the problem that my temp gauge in the cluster is dead since the time I rebuilt the engine and punt the coolant reroute spacer in... In MS the temps are spot on though from the same sensor - but being a 00 it's also a 3 wire sensor.

I have to try this ASAP!

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Looks good man, really making me want to get the ball rolling on getting mine done.
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The three-wire sensor on the NB cars is actually two sensors in a single body.

One is the sensor that feeds the ECU. This one has both the signal and ground lines brought out to the connector. The other is the sensor that feeds the gauge on the instrument panel. This one goes to ground through the sensor body.

Schematically, this is identical to the sensor arrangement on all of the NAs, where there were two separate sensors for these functions, with the ECU sensor having two wires (signal and ground) and the one for the gauge having a single wire and grounding through the thread.

Oh, and I'm not aware of ANY temp sensor in an automotive application where 5v ref comes in as a unique signal. On every one I've seen, the current-limited reference gets applied to the signal line inside the ECU. The sensor then forms one half of a voltage divider (the current limiting resistor being the other half) and the resultant voltage between the two is the signal.
Another answer would be taping the ground wire on the sensor to the body of the sensor. That might be easy too....hmmm

But for the moment the dash is working fine so it must have grounded so I ant ******* with it!
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