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Old 07-13-2010, 12:51 PM   #1
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Default Lightbulb replacements for 99 stock housing no conversion

Just looking for something brighter after driving my GF corolla a night. Made my car feel like I am holding a flashlight with old batteries. I dont want to install HID's just looking for bulb options that wont fry the harness and wont produce the ricer blues/yellows, or the "OMG I'm going to fricking shoot you for driving behind me" look.
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just look for some "cool blues" size H4 at like pep boys or something. no they are no blue they are just really nice bright and clear. but if you did want cheap HID deal then theres tons of cheap stuff to be had on ebay for like 50 bucks and they work fine. i used to have the cool blues then went with 8000k off ebay and they work fine. draw less power too. i think mine use 35w when stock draw is 65w
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I assume they are H4. If so, these are THE bulbs to get.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/US-DI...s#ht_547wt_939

You will not find a brighter 55w bulb, and it is plenty white. Read reviews if you would like, but I already saved you hours or days of trouble doing it myself just a week ago. I have a pair sitting here for backup if my 85/80's burn out.

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just look for some "cool blues" size H4 at like pep boys or something. no they are no blue they are just really nice bright and clear. but if you did want cheap HID deal then theres tons of cheap stuff to be had on ebay for like 50 bucks and they work fine. i used to have the cool blues then went with 8000k off ebay and they work fine. draw less power too. i think mine use 35w when stock draw is 65w
Then you are losing tons of lighting power, since the glass of the bulb is probably tinted blue, and you are using less power.
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Then you are losing tons of lighting power, since the glass of the bulb is probably tinted blue, and you are using less power.
no hids have power amps they pull like 35 and put out like 55/65
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no hids have power amps they pull like 35 and put out like 55/65
Incorrect. If they draw 35, they put out 35. They may put out the equivalent amount of light at 35W that an incandescent bulb puts out at 55W. I was aiming more specifically at the H4 cool blue replacement comment. HID's do make a lot of light on lower wattage though. But for a low cost, non HID conversion, the Night Breakers are the best you will find in stock wattage.

For what it's worth, I ran 85/80W bulbs on the stock harness for nearly a year with no problems.
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NA cars should consider either Cibie H4 ECE or at the very minimum, hella H4 ECE

99-00 NB cars should discard their headlights and upgrade to 01-05 front-end. consider upgrading to HIR bulbs.

stay away from cheap HID retrofit kits.
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why, Clearly I do not want to swap front ends. More trouble than its worth, and I dont want to swap to HID.

Read the first post.
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I have already given the ultimate answer. Why this is being discussed I do not know.

If you want "legal" stock wattage bulbs, see above link. If you want to run higher wattage bulbs, try something like Osram Hyper 85/80's, which is what I am currently running with my new wiring. I ran them on stock wiring for a year and did fine. Much brighter than stock, but with upgraded wiring they are even twice as bright.
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I don't know why this is being discussed anymore either.

I think I will go with Slyvanna Ultra Stars because I'm leaving on trip and will not have time to wait for the night breakers to come in, but I will check them out when I get back.
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I don't know why this is being discussed anymore either.

I think I will go with Slyvanna Ultra Stars because I'm leaving on trip and will not have time to wait for the night breakers to come in, but I will check them out when I get back.
With standard shipping they got to me within like 3 days of placing my order.
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I've been through probably 5 sets of lights on my NB, including china HIDS (useless and dangerous, never use them in a reflector housing). Best I've found is the Slylvania Silverstars. Anything with tint on the bulb casing is going to reduce light output, just ignore 6k+ kelvin bulbs.
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Incorrect. If they draw 35, they put out 35. They may put out the equivalent amount of light at 35W that an incandescent bulb puts out at 55W. I was aiming more specifically at the H4 cool blue replacement comment. HID's do make a lot of light on lower wattage though. But for a low cost, non HID conversion, the Night Breakers are the best you will find in stock wattage.

For what it's worth, I ran 85/80W bulbs on the stock harness for nearly a year with no problems.
the "cool blues" are a brand. they are not blue as stated above
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the "cool blues" are a brand. they are not blue as stated above
I know the brand, Sylvania is the actual brand, unless you are referring to another. Any bulb with cool blue in the name is obviously shooting for the blue look and the crowd who wants to feel like they have those super fly HID's. Just going by memory they did have a light blue tint to the glass, but I could be wrong I guess. Still, the "Cool Blue" vs the Night Breakers, the NB wins hands down. Basically the same cost, but the NB's will be much brighter, guaranteed.
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They have a blue tint on them, thats why I (and you) said I didnt want them. I just want more light not a MaD tYtE fAkE HiD yo.

I went to the store and for the price I can wait till I come back from my trip to order the ones you linked me to. I'm heading out in a few hours.
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why, Clearly I do not want to swap front ends. More trouble than its worth, and I dont want to swap to HID.

Read the first post.
drive an 01-05 and you'll eat your words

the 99-00 headlights are **** poor, relay harness or not

you can install the sun into your headlight housing and they'll still barely illuminate the road
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I don't know why this is being discussed anymore either.

I think I will go with Slyvanna Ultra Stars because I'm leaving on trip and will not have time to wait for the night breakers to come in, but I will check them out when I get back.
Be aware that Sylvanias Silver Star/Ultra stars have about 1/3 the lift of a standard halogen H4 bulb....for 2x the cost of "normal" bulbs. When I had my 99, I went through those things too quickly. How so? Read on..

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So, let's say we build our 9006 with a super-duper filament that produces 1200 lumens. That's too much for a 9006, but we're going to take away some of those lumens with our colored filter (blue glass). This 1200-lumen filament produces, let's say, 300 lumens red, 300 lumens orange, 300 lumens yellow, 210 lumens green, 60 lumens blue and 30 lumens violet. Now we put that same blue glass over it, which suppresses red-orange-yellow by 20%. Now we've got 720 lumens' worth of red-orange-yellow after filtration, plus 300 lumens' worth of green-blue-violet. That gives us a 910-lumen bulb, which is enough above the 850-lumen legal "floor" that we can run the bulb and even if some filaments only produce 1150 lumens instead of 1200, we're still legally OK. Of course, we still only have 910 lumens instead of 1000, and our 1200-lumen filament is going to have a significantly shorter life than a 1000-lumen filament, but we've got our colder/bluer light appearance in a legal bulb.
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Sylvania's much hyped SilverStar and SilverStar Ultra lamps use a lighter tinted blue crystal or bulb than most "blue" lamps. To achieve their whiter light, they modify the filament to a smaller condensed area and by using a smaller coil. This runs the filament hotter to help achieve a whiter light. But now you are stressing the filament. Whereas a normal stock H11 lamp will run about 650 hours, the SilverStars will only run about 250 hours, which was why I was always changing bulbs every few months. They did not design the filament to increase output by much because that would stress the filament even more, further reducing its lifetime which is already abysmally low.
You'll also want to read up on this..... if you want to feel like an educated person. Also, reading the stuff on D-S will make you want to punch every driver with shitty lighting.

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/t...lbs/bulbs.html

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I did the SilverStar thing... 3 times. Finally got tired of burning bulbs out and went with the Osram 85/80 as an upgrade and though they are 85/50, they have lasted well over a year. It's all in the bulb design, as well as how much power.
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Its pretty much a fact that anytime you increase wattage and/or light output, you're reducing longevity. But this concept applies to motors as well.. more psi, more hp, less longevity.

Daniel stern is one of the few people worth listening to when it comes to lighting. He truly is an expert in the field.
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Silverstar @ 55w = maybe 4 months, or Osram Hyper @ 80w = 12 months so far, and still going. Clearly Sylvania did something wrong with the design of their H4 models, or I got screwed several times with sub standard bulbs. Higher output usually does equate to shorter life, but like in this case, you can have a poor filament design lead to a shorter life with much less output than another bulb with a much higher output. On the same note, I had a pair of Hella Yellow Star 85w bulbs in my driving/fog lamps and even though they were higher wattage, they had a much lower lumen output, and were truly yellow with no glass tint, but only lasted for about 4 months before one burned out from heat. The housings were too small for that bulb and it got hot enough in there to melt the jacket around the plug.
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