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Old 01-31-2007, 11:51 AM   #21
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T1-Rs are poo.... they are still they same price as the T1-S's they replaced, but they have the same lifespan as the falkens/RS2's. I know two guys locally who put out the coin, then burned through them in a summer. I'd rather pay less for the Falkens, or even the RS2s for that matter, and have better performance, but half the price.

I got my 615's for 500 CDN, which was a smokin' price.... and they have lasted me 3/4's of a season already. And will probably go through half of this summer too. The RS2's were not bad from reviews around here, but they don't stick quite like the falkens, but are damn close.

Personally if I was going for a street tire, I'd go with either of those.... price for performance is off the hook.

R's a definately grippy, but... you pay the price to get them.....

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Old 01-31-2007, 11:53 AM   #22
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T1R same lifespan as Falkens? Hmmm...I got ~8-10k on Falkens, and ~20k on T1R. Weird.
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:14 PM   #23
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My T1Rs had about ~12K on them. The rears were shot, but the fronts still had a few miles in them (yes I do rotate, but the 195 toyos were not up to my small amount of power). I have around 2500 miles on the RS2 and they show no wear. I hope that they last through the summer, but at $61 each what difference does it make?
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:17 PM   #24
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The 711's are small, and you need all the grip you can get for any situation, it is just on the street you need to be able to handle rain etc. My 225-50r15 bfg gforce sports had better wet handling than my stock size rubber did in the dry. And the dry handling and overall feel are excelent. Any oversteer problems of a turbo miata might also be boost contributed as well. All the more reason to get more grip. Makes driving easier and makes you a much safer and faster driver. Just my 2 cents. BTW with my kind of agressive driving i am looking at getting about 32K or so miles on my BFG's.
um, I don't really "drive aggressively" on the street. They make 195-225 in a 50% aspect ratio...so why not just get a wider tire?

Its too bad they don't make p-zero nero m&s in a 15". That is without a doubt the greatest tire I've ever owned.
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:19 PM   #25
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More difficult to find tires in 14" size, but I don't really want to ditch the oem bbs yet.
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:26 PM   #26
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I like the Neros on my MP3, but I would hate them on the Miata. The cornering grip is okay, but they don't seem to work that well under power or braking. The Rosso Assimetricos on the other hand rock, but they are $ and only larger sizes. I sell lots of Pirellis and so I got a great deal on the Rossos and ran them on my WRX, those tires did more for the handling than the STi suspension I was running.
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:35 PM   #27
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I like the Neros on my MP3, but I would hate them on the Miata. The cornering grip is okay, but they don't seem to work that well under power or braking. The Rosso Assimetricos on the other hand rock, but they are $ and only larger sizes. I sell lots of Pirellis and so I got a great deal on the Rossos and ran them on my WRX, those tires did more for the handling than the STi suspension I was running.
I have them on my turbo vw. At only $88 each, they wear longer, handle better, and are better in the rain than any tire I've used.
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:49 PM   #28
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But for an occasional track-day and summer only use, we are talking $72 a tire in 205/50/15 for the MXs, RS2s, and 615s. Nothing else can beat what each can deliever for a Street-Class tire for the price.
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Old 01-31-2007, 12:58 PM   #29
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I've had the ES100s (average job for a street-only tire, as they didn't have super dry or wet traction and were somewhat loud, suck at autocross, probably lasted ~20k miles), the original Azenis (average job as street-only, as they had tremendous dry grip, shitty heavy rain/standing water grip and were loud as hell, tremendous job at autocross, lasted ~12-15k miles) and the T1-S (great job for street-only tire, as they are wonderful in dry and rain, quiet, comfortable, average at autocross if pumped up properly, lasted ~20k miles).

I think I'll be getting the T1-Rs as replacement, as I don't even really autocross anymore.
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Old 01-31-2007, 01:10 PM   #30
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If 70 bucks is criteria summit shipped all 4 of my bfg's out to me for 320 bucks they only charged the 10$ deal on 1 tire and the rest came with it i thought it was a sweet deal myself. couldnt find em local for less than 100+ apeice. BS i just shopped around on the net and got a good deal.
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Old 01-31-2007, 03:25 PM   #31
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Edge racing is the place to go for the hankooks, toyos, or falkens.
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Old 01-31-2007, 03:28 PM   #32
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I liked my sumitomo htr200's the guy I sold them too says they are way loud, but I never noticed...
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Old 01-31-2007, 06:00 PM   #33
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The sumitomo is about on par with the ES100. They are dirt cheap and if you are only looking for a street tire you cannot beat them.
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Old 01-31-2007, 06:08 PM   #34
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i had those sumitomos the sidewalls were really floppy. I didn't like em much. I love my Azenis, the turn in is fantastic.
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ES100 = total crap. If the car is a summer toy, there is only one option. Azenis.
I said for street tires.

I have a set of 615's
and a set of V710's for fun.

he never said what his plans are. Does he drive on the street 99% of the time.
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Old 02-01-2007, 10:13 AM   #37
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I've got the ES100s for the street and I hate 'em. I did have the T1-S on my old Miata and they were worlds better. I can't wait to get the ES100s replaced. I'm limited with the wacky 205-45-16 on a 6.5 in the stock 01 wheel but can get T1-Rs in that size or could go with 205-40-16 Azenis. Hmmm.

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if the car is a daily, I'd go with something cheap that will last for a long time like kumho ecsta 711's...you don't need all that grip for the street. Get something sticky for the track.
Depends how your car is setup. If lowered with a stiff suspension you need stickier tires. For example I had Kumho Ecsta 711's, which where fine with stock springs, but when I lowered the car the brake bias was fucked up and oversteer was out of control. I really couldn't dial it in with alignment. I put the stock rear sway bar on and it helped only marginally.

Went to the stickier Kumho MX and bingo! Even put the bigger rear sway on and the handling is perfect. The stickier tires help give the proper weight transfer in cornering and braking needed for the suspension to do it's thing.

You need good tires!
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