Meet the latest in engine timing technology
 

I pitty them all.

Let them think what they want. Fuckit, not our money.

Sounds like it just pulls timing in one fixed chunk whenever it detects any boost. MSD / Sebring, anyone?

Gotta hand it to the PowerCard guys for slick packaging and good marketing copy, but the engineering behind the product seems like another loss.

So, original PC PRO cooled the charge, since it's an intercooler, so this one must cool the spark! Imagine the HP potential... I could see frozen over sparkplugs from being too agressive with it.

I like how it shows pre-ignition in the diagram, not detonation.

:rofl: no no no, its when the piston is forced down before finishing the rotation. holy shit, you think you'd really want your timing control developers to undestand ignition timing terminology.

OMFG, what a douche :eek:

Not really sure I personally deserve the credit, but am fine with being singled out.

Well dang...I need to get rid of my standalone because the 60-2 timing wheel isn't state of the art anymore:gay:...Time to move up

Nah, I jumped back in there to take some of the flack. :cool:

WTF get buthurt much he acts like we just called his son a fag :rofl:

The catfight is getting better. Check out the last few postings to see Jason really going off the deep end insofar as reading comprehension is concerned.

I honestly can't see why he's so hung up on these PowerCard products. It's not like Moss invented the damn things...

edit: boy, was I wrong about that last sentence... Read on. ;)

We were posting at the same time there Joe, but mostly said the same thing.

I think they have 2 interests in the product:
1 financial gain
2 it's simple enough for them to psuedo understand it

And probably they also have some sort of semi exclusive deal from the manufacturer.

I wonder how many of those timming cards they will sell after what Ben and Perez said.... :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

You guys made good points. I won't be surprised at all if there's a newer version of that card in the near future that does look at vaccum and RPM.

As far as band-aids go, it's always seemed like anything "PowerCard" is the worst. The guy has no idea what he's talking about either, just reading from his product specs apparently.

They'll still sell tons. The people in the market to buy those things are like lemmings. And I apparently am no different than a dog, peeing on anything that smells like a PowerCard to protect my territory. :jerkit:

But it would be great if PowerCard did come out with a V2.0 that was based of a 2D lookup table instead of the current 1D table. What's their retail, $300? Still wouldn't be a great value for those of us that are more competent, but would still be very easy to use and not a bad product at all.

Yeah, to be honest I kinda hope that they do. For one thing, you & I came come back and say "we told you so."

More importantly however, as I said over in the catfight, I really think that the TimingThingy could have been the modern successor to the ACU for the 01+ cars, if only they'd not gotten lazy at the last moment.

Now that makes a lot of sense explaining the way that Jason acts.

Looks like the MSRP for TimingThingy® is $300 standalone or $225 to kit owners. If Moss/PC/JR tweaked the firmware and re-released at $250 flat, they'll sell a ton, and probably take all of the Bipes' ($230) market share on the 90-97 cars too. I think most people will forgo the Bipes' 3rd variable (temp) for the Card's slick push button interface.

Boy, now Tom is jumping on your case over there too!

check out the logos at top
http://tuning.powercardtuning.com/request.asp

I don't get
*why I singularly get the credit
*why people keep bringing up products other than TimingThingy®

where on earth do I start comparing TimingThingy® with sandalones?

Yeah, things are starting to make sense now. Like why Jason is whining like we just buttfucked his daughter.
Hehe. Did I give you permission to use the TimingThingy® name and logo in a public forum? :bigtu:



I found another piece of the puzzle in the press release for the MP62 kit:
First thought- it took those guys YEARS to come up with that thing?

Second thought- turns out that Dobeck's primary business is making a ripoff of the PowerCommander, with similarly ignorant and banal claims as to why theirs is superior: http://www.dobeckperformance.com/

Check out the FAQ:Ok, so it's superior because it is less adjustable?Uhm. Yeah. So we're trying to make an EFI system as fiddly and hard to tune as a carburetor. Where do I sign up?

Those two must be a match made in heaven...

OMG Tom is dumb. I give up.

I wonder if Tom's joking? Surely he's not serious. I'm stunned.

I ignored his digs and moved forward like he was seriously asking for advice.

Joe's duck analogy is fucking hilarious.

The thread is pretty enjoyable to read, I agree that the duck analogies are great. It's pretty frustrating though that you guys are obviously, specifically, talking about the TimingThingy and he keeps referring back to PC-Pro, which has nothing to do with what you are talking about beyond stating that it does allow load based fueling (which everyone is in agreement upon)....

Awhile back, I actually thought Tom was an alright guy and all that stuff. Now it seems everytime he posts, it's always about his products being great and infallable. It would seem that he has enough loyal supporters to do his forum fighting for him and that he wouldn't want to tarnish his reputation by getting in arguments himself.

And people wondered why I changed my avatar... I think I may have to stick with this theme from now on. :bigtu:

But yes, like yourself I'm trying very hard to steer Tom back into the subject at hand and get a direct and lucid response. His last post to me (the one ending with "Piggybacks RULE") makes me wonder if he forgot to take his medication this morning.

Incidentally, I'm pretty sure that this thread qualifies as the end-all of ultimate retardation at M.net.

you think a car with that thing would show more power at 0psi than it would at .1 psi?

Not so long as the proprietary E-Cool™ system was functioning properly. We all know that Tom's system operates on the principles of magic rather than physics.

edit: I just replied again. Let's see if we can steer Tom back into a non-defensible position concerning poultry.

I gotta say joe, you have a certain finesse to your punch lines that makes me smile when I'm reading them. I've reread the thread once already just because of the duck stuff.

^^^^ +1:bigtu:

I wonder if Tom's talking about us on his forum.... Perez, keep the poultry comments coming, they're great!

I haven't seen anything about this over on the FFS forum, however I did run across one gem. Honestly, this is so beautiful it almost makes me feel bad about bashing Tom: http://www.fastforwardsuperchargers....read.php?t=993

That's exactly the sort of thing I'd do to a guy like that...

Yea, that was pretty good.

Hey guys, can you tell me exact timing values to run? I don't want to go through the hassle to actually tune the car on a dyno. Tuning is for bitches and I'm cool. And my lemmings will follow me not matter what.

That'll stir it up.

damn man that is some harsh shit Ben.

Nah, he doesn't bother. When I talk to him on the phone he's pretty philosophical about it. The guy's been around the block and doesn't take to heart what two or three guys on another forum have to say about him. I have never heard him make a personal attack on any one person, even in private conversation. As much fun as you guys get out of prodding him, he gets as much pleasure responding.

Power card = :gay: Nice posts on mnet :bigtu:

Background info:
This PM is from one of Tom's customers. Tom first told him that he does not need to change his injectors to run 210 whp on his stock 95 fuel system. Now he's telling him to knock back timing instead of getting ignition management?

I want some peking duck.

i just replied too. damn used car salesmen over there.

I haven't been real active over there lately as I'm traveling on business all this week. Lots and lots of dreadfully boring meetings. However we've been dining well- last night I had brazed duck with cherry sauce. Absolutely wonderful.

4° good lord. engine management at it's best.


Not everyone needs power though Ben, they buy the supercharger so they can retard timing and end of with stock power, duh.

This is by far the funniest thread in a long time.

... and now I'm getting jumped on by Tom over in the FI forum where, as far as I can tell, I was positive and complimentary of the TimingThingy!
http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=256306

twas a good read.

I lol'd at a couple of Joe's bird comments.

I too love eating duck, mmmmmm so good.

im not sure tom's going to like my last post.

Dude, did you not see this one?
#70

no i didn't ;)

un-fucking-believable
I have no response.

OK, yeah I did :gtfo:

The worst part to me is that, after all the debate, more lemmings are flocking to the PC lineup. Unbelievable; it's the "Consumer Reports" mentality.

p.s. ytboy4ever is my handle on m.net

posting over there is a waste of time.

that tom guy is a dumbass. just wow.

"Sometimes people use the term "Map" based to refer to the rows and columns use in old technology controls like the Split Second."

"The PC-Pro technology does have MAP but not Map. No cells, no rows, no columns. It is all done by 21st century equations."

"There are 8 lights to show settings and the RPM zones are 1* per light."

3 buttons and 8 lights? AND 21st century equations?! Sure beats the hell out of using a 3d map!

Especially when you're out of your league. Sorry man, but you aren't ready to take Bill to task over theory or real-world tuning. He will hand you your ass in a debate.

I was never trying to debate anyone, just making comments.

bunch of trouble makers, lol