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MiataRoadster 05-18-2008 12:44 PM

MiataRoadster turbo valvetrain kit
 
Hey Guys,

In our continuing efforts to fill the voids we see in the Miata aftermarket, MiataRoadster is planning a 94-00+MSM turbo camshafts/shimless solid lifters/big valves/progressive beehive springs/Ti retainers/keepers/bronze guides/Viton seals valvetrain kit.

Please post here what cam grind you'd prefer to see (and why) and if we see a theme develop, we'll incorporate your wishes into our final specs.

Feel free to email me: Bill@MiataRoadster.com

Thanks,

Bill

hustler 05-18-2008 12:47 PM

lol, welcome to the land of milk an honey.

Ben 05-18-2008 01:05 PM

Sounds good. More lift, less duration please. And don't forget the exhaust cam will also work on 01+. :)

jasonrobo02 05-18-2008 08:18 PM

What are shimless solid lifters and how does one adjust the lash without shims?

MiataRoadster 05-18-2008 08:44 PM


Originally Posted by jasonrobo02 (Post 258748)
What are shimless solid lifters and how does one adjust the lash without shims?

We've found a source for solid lifters that are available with specifiable stem lengths, so no need for lash caps/shims.

Zabac 05-18-2008 08:51 PM

How much?

mrtonyg 05-18-2008 08:56 PM

I don't like the idea of the actual lifter of different heights...it's going to add excessively to the cost. You would have to purchase way too many to properly clearance the valves...not good.

Having the adjustment via shims is much cheaper.

Tony

y8s 05-18-2008 11:19 PM


Originally Posted by mrtonyg (Post 258759)
I don't like the idea of the actual lifter of different heights...it's going to add excessively to the cost. You would have to purchase way too many to properly clearance the valves...not good.

Having the adjustment via shims is much cheaper.

Tony

or even generic lash caps.

MiataRoadster 05-19-2008 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by mrtonyg (Post 258759)
I don't like the idea of the actual lifter of different heights...it's going to add excessively to the cost. You would have to purchase way too many to properly clearance the valves...not good.

Having the adjustment via shims is much cheaper.

Tony

I can't say too much at this point without tipping my hand to competitors, but I'll say that you are on the wrong track.

I'm still waiting to see posts suggesting lobe profile specs...

Bill

MiataRoadster 05-19-2008 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by Zabac (Post 258757)
How much?

Too soon to say.

Let's see if we can get some suggestions for lobe profiles flowing first, that's the more critical issue...

Bill

y8s 05-19-2008 10:40 AM

I'd imagine that there are more qualified people to give you good cam profiles than miataturbo.net forum people.

Why not plan to have a nice street version and an all out version? both can have significantly more lift at least.

brgracer 05-19-2008 11:03 AM


Originally Posted by MiataRoadster (Post 258929)
I'm still waiting to see posts suggesting lobe profile specs...

Not sure if he's sharing, but the only person in recent memory that made dyno proven gains with cams on his turbo is Eliminator at m.net.

Zabac 05-19-2008 11:05 AM

It has always been my understanding that in a trubo motor you need much more lift and a little less duration, how much I have no idea.
It may be a good starting point to look at other motors with lots of aftermarket support in this area to see what numbers they use, this can at least get us started in the right direction.

MiataRoadster 05-19-2008 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 258992)
I'd imagine that there are more qualified people to give you good cam profiles than miataturbo.net forum people.

Why not plan to have a nice street version and an all out version? both can have significantly more lift at least.

Oh, I'm researching everywhere, not just here.

;-D

In my experience, MT.net members seem to know exactly what they want, that's why I'm asking them to chime in.

re: multiple versions

Let's see if we can come up with one product that people want before offering multiple ones, OK?

:)

Our initial goal, as will always be our primary focus, is to support those in our community who are pushing the envelope of Miata performance history:

http://worldsquickestmiatas.com/

Thanks,

Bill

y8s 05-19-2008 12:42 PM

Bill, not sure if this helps the cause, but if you check out my sig pic you'll get a feel for how overlap (and I guess duration--in terms of where the intake valve closes) will affect the power band.

But given the compromise, maybe just stock duration and gobs of lift. And a set of adjustable cam gears. gear for me. :)

Zabac 05-19-2008 12:56 PM

Great Read!

UrbanSoot 05-19-2008 04:54 PM

i want. for 1.6.

y8s 05-19-2008 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Zabac (Post 259064)

here I sum up:


Originally Posted by y8s (Post 259058)
...just stock duration and gobs of lift.


oh and randy's site suggests 9.5mm is the max without having to modify the lifter bosses in the head.

http://www.y8spec.com/images/01cylinderhead.jpg

Savington 05-19-2008 07:22 PM

That is an awesome read. I wonder how much opening/closing flank the hottest valve springs available can handle? That seems like the ticket to a shitload of power while still operating under the physical lift limitations of the head.

(god i have no idea what i'm talking about)

jasonrobo02 05-19-2008 08:44 PM

Sav, I'm sure that you'll take some sort of "Mechanisms" class at SLO. For a chapter or two during that class I'm sure you'll be going cam crazy.


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