Notices
General Miata Chat A place to talk about anything Miata

MiataRoadster turbo valvetrain kit

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 18, 2008 | 12:44 PM
  #1  
MiataRoadster's Avatar
Thread Starter
Former Vendor
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 281
Total Cats: 18
From: SoCal
Default MiataRoadster turbo valvetrain kit

Hey Guys,

In our continuing efforts to fill the voids we see in the Miata aftermarket, MiataRoadster is planning a 94-00+MSM turbo camshafts/shimless solid lifters/big valves/progressive beehive springs/Ti retainers/keepers/bronze guides/Viton seals valvetrain kit.

Please post here what cam grind you'd prefer to see (and why) and if we see a theme develop, we'll incorporate your wishes into our final specs.

Feel free to email me: Bill@MiataRoadster.com

Thanks,

Bill
Old May 18, 2008 | 12:47 PM
  #2  
hustler's Avatar
Tour de Franzia
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
From: Republic of Dallas
Default

lol, welcome to the land of milk an honey.
Old May 18, 2008 | 01:05 PM
  #3  
Ben's Avatar
Ben
Supporting Vendor
iTrader: (33)
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 12,659
Total Cats: 134
From: atlanta-ish
Default

Sounds good. More lift, less duration please. And don't forget the exhaust cam will also work on 01+.
__________________
Chief of Floor Sweeping, DIYAutoTune.com & AMP EFI
Crew Chief, Car Owner & Least Valuable Driver, HongNorrthRacing

91 Turbo | 10AE Turbo | 01 Track Rat | #323 Mazda Champcar

Originally Posted by concealer404
Buy an MSPNP Pro, you'll feel better.
Old May 18, 2008 | 08:18 PM
  #4  
jasonrobo02's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 606
Total Cats: 0
From: San Diego
Default

What are shimless solid lifters and how does one adjust the lash without shims?
Old May 18, 2008 | 08:44 PM
  #5  
MiataRoadster's Avatar
Thread Starter
Former Vendor
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 281
Total Cats: 18
From: SoCal
Default

Originally Posted by jasonrobo02
What are shimless solid lifters and how does one adjust the lash without shims?
We've found a source for solid lifters that are available with specifiable stem lengths, so no need for lash caps/shims.
Old May 18, 2008 | 08:51 PM
  #6  
Zabac's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (39)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 4,850
Total Cats: 8
From: High Point NC
Default

How much?
Old May 18, 2008 | 08:56 PM
  #7  
mrtonyg's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 483
Total Cats: -2
From: South Florida
Default

I don't like the idea of the actual lifter of different heights...it's going to add excessively to the cost. You would have to purchase way too many to properly clearance the valves...not good.

Having the adjustment via shims is much cheaper.

Tony
Old May 18, 2008 | 11:19 PM
  #8  
y8s's Avatar
y8s
DEI liberal femininity
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 19,338
Total Cats: 574
From: Fake Virginia
Default

Originally Posted by mrtonyg
I don't like the idea of the actual lifter of different heights...it's going to add excessively to the cost. You would have to purchase way too many to properly clearance the valves...not good.

Having the adjustment via shims is much cheaper.

Tony
or even generic lash caps.
Old May 19, 2008 | 06:43 AM
  #9  
MiataRoadster's Avatar
Thread Starter
Former Vendor
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 281
Total Cats: 18
From: SoCal
Default

Originally Posted by mrtonyg
I don't like the idea of the actual lifter of different heights...it's going to add excessively to the cost. You would have to purchase way too many to properly clearance the valves...not good.

Having the adjustment via shims is much cheaper.

Tony
I can't say too much at this point without tipping my hand to competitors, but I'll say that you are on the wrong track.

I'm still waiting to see posts suggesting lobe profile specs...

Bill
Old May 19, 2008 | 06:45 AM
  #10  
MiataRoadster's Avatar
Thread Starter
Former Vendor
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 281
Total Cats: 18
From: SoCal
Default

Originally Posted by Zabac
How much?
Too soon to say.

Let's see if we can get some suggestions for lobe profiles flowing first, that's the more critical issue...

Bill
Old May 19, 2008 | 10:40 AM
  #11  
y8s's Avatar
y8s
DEI liberal femininity
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 19,338
Total Cats: 574
From: Fake Virginia
Default

I'd imagine that there are more qualified people to give you good cam profiles than miataturbo.net forum people.

Why not plan to have a nice street version and an all out version? both can have significantly more lift at least.
Old May 19, 2008 | 11:03 AM
  #12  
brgracer's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (14)
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 1,275
Total Cats: 1
From: Ambler, PA
Default

Originally Posted by MiataRoadster
I'm still waiting to see posts suggesting lobe profile specs...
Not sure if he's sharing, but the only person in recent memory that made dyno proven gains with cams on his turbo is Eliminator at m.net.
Old May 19, 2008 | 11:05 AM
  #13  
Zabac's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (39)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 4,850
Total Cats: 8
From: High Point NC
Default

It has always been my understanding that in a trubo motor you need much more lift and a little less duration, how much I have no idea.
It may be a good starting point to look at other motors with lots of aftermarket support in this area to see what numbers they use, this can at least get us started in the right direction.
Old May 19, 2008 | 11:15 AM
  #14  
MiataRoadster's Avatar
Thread Starter
Former Vendor
 
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 281
Total Cats: 18
From: SoCal
Default

Originally Posted by y8s
I'd imagine that there are more qualified people to give you good cam profiles than miataturbo.net forum people.

Why not plan to have a nice street version and an all out version? both can have significantly more lift at least.
Oh, I'm researching everywhere, not just here.

;-D

In my experience, MT.net members seem to know exactly what they want, that's why I'm asking them to chime in.

re: multiple versions

Let's see if we can come up with one product that people want before offering multiple ones, OK?



Our initial goal, as will always be our primary focus, is to support those in our community who are pushing the envelope of Miata performance history:

http://worldsquickestmiatas.com/

Thanks,

Bill
Old May 19, 2008 | 12:42 PM
  #15  
y8s's Avatar
y8s
DEI liberal femininity
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 19,338
Total Cats: 574
From: Fake Virginia
Default

Bill, not sure if this helps the cause, but if you check out my sig pic you'll get a feel for how overlap (and I guess duration--in terms of where the intake valve closes) will affect the power band.

But given the compromise, maybe just stock duration and gobs of lift. And a set of adjustable cam gears. gear for me.
Old May 19, 2008 | 12:56 PM
  #16  
Zabac's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (39)
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 4,850
Total Cats: 8
From: High Point NC
Default

Great Read!
Old May 19, 2008 | 04:54 PM
  #17  
UrbanSoot's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (24)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,667
Total Cats: 18
From: Woodland Hills, CA
Default

i want. for 1.6.
Old May 19, 2008 | 05:42 PM
  #18  
y8s's Avatar
y8s
DEI liberal femininity
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Posts: 19,338
Total Cats: 574
From: Fake Virginia
Default

Originally Posted by Zabac
here I sum up:

Originally Posted by y8s
...just stock duration and gobs of lift.

oh and randy's site suggests 9.5mm is the max without having to modify the lifter bosses in the head.

Old May 19, 2008 | 07:22 PM
  #19  
Savington's Avatar
Former Vendor
iTrader: (31)
 
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 15,442
Total Cats: 2,106
From: Sunnyvale, CA
Default

That is an awesome read. I wonder how much opening/closing flank the hottest valve springs available can handle? That seems like the ticket to a shitload of power while still operating under the physical lift limitations of the head.

(god i have no idea what i'm talking about)
Old May 19, 2008 | 08:44 PM
  #20  
jasonrobo02's Avatar
Senior Member
iTrader: (13)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 606
Total Cats: 0
From: San Diego
Default

Sav, I'm sure that you'll take some sort of "Mechanisms" class at SLO. For a chapter or two during that class I'm sure you'll be going cam crazy.



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:48 AM.