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Chilicharger665 11-08-2019 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1554230)
I have watched Shiv walk away from to many partly finished projects to ever want to give him my money.

You are not wrong. However, I do not think he ever bought an ND1, so him buying an ND2 is a good sign.


Originally Posted by wackbards (Post 1554234)
Interesting. Well, it seems to be a one man show so far for the ND2. OVT is out, ECUTEK hasn't done anything, nor has versatuner. Near as I can tell, they haven't even started looking at the ND2.

ECUtek said they won’t be doing any ND2 development at all.

z31maniac 11-08-2019 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by Chilicharger665 (Post 1554251)
ECUtek said they won’t be doing any ND2 development at all.

That's a drag, that means no Edelbrock kit for an ND2 then. I emailed them a couple of months ago to ask about it and the response was:

"The tuning software company (ECUTek) has yet to break into the new ECU code & map it completely. No fitment or calibration development will be started on 2019 model vehicle till a stable software version is available to Edelbrock. Check back in a couple months."

Chilicharger665 11-08-2019 01:02 PM

Yep, the better flowing head on the ND2’s would probably be able to max out that tiny supercharger Edelbrock uses. The feel of the ND2 engine, but with 60 more whp would be super fun. Maybe Shiv will get the hp bug and decide to work with Edelbrock on it.

wackbards 11-13-2019 05:03 PM

Some good pics of an asploded skyG

Facebook Post


Step through the mnet post to get around FB nannies

https://forum.miata.net/vb/showpost....4&postcount=72


The money shot

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...9ffe6d619f.jpg

wackbards 11-27-2019 10:23 AM

This just in: Versatuner working on ND2 tune.


Chilicharger665 11-28-2019 01:24 PM

That should be cool. Shiv was updating the ND2 constantly for a few weeks and now... silence.

I just swapped another tuner for an Openflash tablet, so I should be able to update it and get the current ND2 tunes for it. I have never done that before, so I need to research how to do that.

z31maniac 12-02-2019 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Chilicharger665 (Post 1556030)
That should be cool. Shiv was updating the ND2 constantly for a few weeks and now... silence.

I just swapped another tuner for an Openflash tablet, so I should be able to update it and get the current ND2 tunes for it. I have never done that before, so I need to research how to do that.

You used to be able to just go to his site and download it. That's how it was when I used OFT for my NC and the BRZ.

z31maniac 01-10-2020 09:01 AM

Because I'm interested in an ND2 + Edelbrock SC, people need to email EcuTek and ask them to work on the 19+ ECU. Edelbrock already told me they aren't going to work on a kit for the 19+ until EcuTek cracks the new ECU. Here was the response from EcuTek:Hello there,

Thanks for getting in touch.

ND2 ECUs aren't currently supported and unfortunately its not on the road map for the next year at least, the ECU changed substantially during the changeover from the ND1 to the ND2 and we don't have the resources available to dedicate the time required to work on support these. I have added your request to the outstanding ticket so we can judge the demand more accurately and we will be keeping things updated on our Facebook page here.

If you have any further questions please let me know.


Kindest Regards,
Ioanna Makrogianni
EcuTeK Technologies Ltd

Chilicharger665 01-10-2020 10:32 AM

You have a lot more trust in the transmissions than I do. Unless you are also considering that BBR NC transmisson swap?

wackbards 01-10-2020 10:54 AM

I'm wanting to run a corn tune in the spring. I've dropped ~90 lbs out of the car & put on 205/45/16's. Corn should make it zippy. It's hard to compare to that torque area under the curve you get from FI, but that glass trannie makes FI a pretty big investment right now.

DeerHunter 01-10-2020 11:50 AM


z31maniac 01-10-2020 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by Chilicharger665 (Post 1559249)
You have a lot more trust in the transmissions than I do. Unless you are also considering that BBR NC transmisson swap?

The Edelbrock kits, when installed by an ASE certified mechanic, get a 3/36 powertrain warranty.

https://www.edelbrock.com/e-force-su...2-0l-1554.html


Chilicharger665 01-10-2020 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1559263)
The Edelbrock kits, when installed by an ASE certified mechanic, get a 3/36 powertrain warranty.

https://www.edelbrock.com/e-force-su...2-0l-1554.html

Only from when the car was new. Read the fine print.

z31maniac 01-10-2020 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by Chilicharger665 (Post 1559264)
Only from when the car was new. Read the fine print.

The plan would be to buy a new one and have it installed immediately. I can imagine the ECU will stay basically the same the next 2-4 years, so once they figure out a 19, the next few years will be much easier.

wackbards 01-10-2020 12:44 PM

Edlebrock gets a 3/36 minus actual miles, but factory powertrain is 60. Also, people have been breaking their transmissions at around 60k. Still enticing, but definitely more financial exposure than you might think at first. Also, the warranty tune is reportedly kinda butt.

z31maniac 01-10-2020 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by wackbards (Post 1559266)
Edlebrock gets a 3/36 minus actual miles, but factory powertrain is 60. Also, people have been breaking their transmissions at around 60k. Still enticing, but definitely more financial exposure than you might think at first. Also, the warranty tune is reportedly kinda butt.

That's disappointing. I know there was a similar problem early on with the BRZ Edelbrock kit. To the point that Delicious Tuning made a fix for it.

wackbards 01-10-2020 12:50 PM

Apparently fab9 has figured out the ND1 edlebrock secret sauce.

Chilicharger665 01-11-2020 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1559265)
The plan would be to buy a new one and have it installed immediately. I can imagine the ECU will stay basically the same the next 2-4 years, so once they figure out a 19, the next few years will be much easier.

Gotcha. I still couldn't stomach laying out 35k for a new car where you would have to get warranty stuff done through an aftermarket company. I have resigned my newest ND to street stuff only and I might not even put that Openflash tuner on that I have right now. I bought a 2012 NC to start building up as a track car.

I would think about getting a great used ND1 RF, put the Edelbrock on it for street fun, then buying an old NC for track fun. You could probably do all that for the same 35k as getting a brand new ND2 and supercharging it. You could also do that right now, as opposed to waiting on Ecutek to do something, which they might never do.

z31maniac 01-11-2020 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Chilicharger665 (Post 1559315)
Gotcha. I still couldn't stomach laying out 35k for a new car where you would have to get warranty stuff done through an aftermarket company. I have resigned my newest ND to street stuff only and I might not even put that Openflash tuner on that I have right now. I bought a 2012 NC to start building up as a track car.

I would think about getting a great used ND1 RF, put the Edelbrock on it for street fun, then buying an old NC for track fun. You could probably do all that for the same 35k as getting a brand new ND2 and supercharging it. You could also do that right now, as opposed to waiting on Ecutek to do something, which they might never do.

Not doing anything for probably 10-12 months. I want to see styling and specs of the next STi that is going to be released at the end of the year and the BRZ as well.

May also look at used C7 GS as well. Or I may build a 2.5 NC track car.

Lots of options. So I'm going to take my time as I'd like to keep the next one for awhile.

emilio700 01-11-2020 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Chilicharger665 (Post 1559315)
Gotcha. I still couldn't stomach laying out 35k for a new car where you would have to get warranty stuff done through an aftermarket company. I have resigned my newest ND to street stuff only and I might not even put that Openflash tuner on that I have right now. I bought a 2012 NC to start building up as a track car.

I would think about getting a great used ND1 RF, put the Edelbrock on it for street fun, then buying an old NC for track fun. You could probably do all that for the same 35k as getting a brand new ND2 and supercharging it. You could also do that right now, as opposed to waiting on Ecutek to do something, which they might never do.

After chasing HPDE car glory then switchng to an attempt at STR autox glory with Beaker (ND1), my 30AE was destined for daily driver glory from the outset. It's rare that any car I own is "done" in terms of mods but this one has been so fr a while.
OFT reflash. Only made a few more whp in upper midrange. DBW maps make if "feel" torquier in low-mid range but it isn't.
RB axle back muffler. Quiet.
300/200 Xida Ace
17x9 6UL
245/40 Conti ECS
Lowered about 20mm
Leg Sport front lip
Supermiata prototype carbon duck bill rear spoiler
Paco seat lowering brackets
Supermiata steering wheel extension
G-Loc GS-1 pads F&R

That's it. No faster than stock. Rides better, handles better, just as quiet. Looks neat.

I suppose its inevitable that we build a 2.5 NC as a track rat at some point. So cheap and fast. Easily match a well prepped 86 lap time wise for about 1/3rd the total project cost.


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