new swap kit on the market
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I think an SR motor is a very nice option for a miata, its not like there's a 240 craze over them for nothing. Hell SCC is looking at putting the SR in their project SE-R which is the exact motor it came with in Japan, turbo and everything.
It's a very capable motor and can hold 350 hp far more reliably than Miata, for cheaper than the Miata. Is it cheaper for a block...no, but you won't need a new one in 5 months either. The idea of a stronger tranny is nice, and i've seen a very sick SR install in a miata.
I think it's good that people are looking at other swap options, just a different flavor for those who are stuck with our weak powerplant. Personally I think the CA18 motor would be far more suited to the Miata's characteristics, rev happy and ready to go.
It's a very capable motor and can hold 350 hp far more reliably than Miata, for cheaper than the Miata. Is it cheaper for a block...no, but you won't need a new one in 5 months either. The idea of a stronger tranny is nice, and i've seen a very sick SR install in a miata.
I think it's good that people are looking at other swap options, just a different flavor for those who are stuck with our weak powerplant. Personally I think the CA18 motor would be far more suited to the Miata's characteristics, rev happy and ready to go.
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There are tons of other engines better than the B6 and BP. For most its easier to stick with whats in the car. How many here are anywhere close to max potential out of them anyways? I don't think we even have 5 members making over 300 whp. The SR swap is bad ***. The new trans is a big plus.
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is the transmission stronger? parts searches (iirc) shows similar manufacturers and some identical part numbers, at least for one of the trannies (look on m.net). I think there were debates over that or the miata 6 speed.
Is the SR better than the the miata BP I would not say that, better than the miata bp maybe (look at the Gt-R Familia). For the price though I dont know if its worth it. Especially if FE3's are in the 500's now, are you guys aware of the similarities in the dimension of some the FE3 components and the JZ motors. IIRC you can use the same pistons or rods. I forget what else my friend discovered when he did the first Miata FE3 swap that we know.
I'm sorry I just dont see the SR as being the end all motor people make it out to be. It was just a motor that help power and lasted a long time that allowed for a lot of development.
plus how many people have really spent a money trying to fine tune miata to make power and be safe with ECU's other than that that FM offers. Most of them do not post on online forums but I've see some very nice stuff come out of San Antonio Texas as well as Louisiana
Is the SR better than the the miata BP I would not say that, better than the miata bp maybe (look at the Gt-R Familia). For the price though I dont know if its worth it. Especially if FE3's are in the 500's now, are you guys aware of the similarities in the dimension of some the FE3 components and the JZ motors. IIRC you can use the same pistons or rods. I forget what else my friend discovered when he did the first Miata FE3 swap that we know.
I'm sorry I just dont see the SR as being the end all motor people make it out to be. It was just a motor that help power and lasted a long time that allowed for a lot of development.
plus how many people have really spent a money trying to fine tune miata to make power and be safe with ECU's other than that that FM offers. Most of them do not post on online forums but I've see some very nice stuff come out of San Antonio Texas as well as Louisiana
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There are only two good options other then custom bell housing
1) rx-7 t2 tranny. great tranny but some issues arise. First you need a wide-block 4g63/4 which is a different casting then the 4g in 1g/2g dsm. Second you need a rare bell housing from 85-86.5 b200 with i believe 2.4l carb 4cy motor
2) dodge max tranny or d50. the tranny bolts up to a stock 4g63/64 but is not well known for hold alot of power and also is a cable clutch.
there was a person making custom bell housing to mate a w50 mark3 supra tranny to a 4g(narrow I believe) but they only made a small run of them.
Last you still need to swap or adjust parts ment for FWD setup
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The end all 4cyl would not be Mazda or Nissan. Give me the SRT4's 2.4 or a Honda K series. I agree that the 4G63 also ***** all over most other 4 cylinders as AMS, Buscher Racing and John Shepard have all shown us.
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I also forgot there is still the front oil sump oil pan to deal with.
The end all 4cyl would not be Mazda or Nissan. Give me the SRT4's 2.4 or a Honda K series. I agree that the 4G63 also ***** all over most other 4 cylinders as AMS, Buscher Racing and John Shepard have all shown us.
Also as for 2.4 vs 2.4 I would rather have the 4g64 instead.... mostly cause there is still more info and support for the 4g motors...last but not least srt4 motor is is a neon motor...lol
never had much run in with the K series but I have heard alot of good things about them.
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Upgrades are also much cheaper, and the tuning knowledgebase is 10x bigger than with the BP.
For 1/2 the price it takes to make 300hp on a BP, you can have a 400hp SR and make a fair amount back selling the old turbo setup. There isn't even a need to build the bottom end for anything under 450ish.
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Can you find a working Miata turbo BP..no
Upgrades are also much cheaper, and the tuning knowledgebase is 10x bigger than with the BP.
For 1/2 the price it takes to make 300hp on a BP, you can have a 400hp SR and make a fair amount back selling the old turbo setup. There isn't even a need to build the bottom end for anything under 450ish.
Upgrades are also much cheaper, and the tuning knowledgebase is 10x bigger than with the BP.
For 1/2 the price it takes to make 300hp on a BP, you can have a 400hp SR and make a fair amount back selling the old turbo setup. There isn't even a need to build the bottom end for anything under 450ish.
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Can you find a working Miata turbo BP..no
Upgrades are also much cheaper, and the tuning knowledgebase is 10x bigger than with the BP.
For 1/2 the price it takes to make 300hp on a BP, you can have a 400hp SR and make a fair amount back selling the old turbo setup. There isn't even a need to build the bottom end for anything under 450ish.
Upgrades are also much cheaper, and the tuning knowledgebase is 10x bigger than with the BP.
For 1/2 the price it takes to make 300hp on a BP, you can have a 400hp SR and make a fair amount back selling the old turbo setup. There isn't even a need to build the bottom end for anything under 450ish.
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What kind of power are these "high power" four bangers making? I think the max power seen on a stock block, forged rods/pistons FE3 is near 1000whp - Louis Lima's ute in South Africa. The engine just doesn't get any hype in the states because it was never imported... though very popular/common in NZ and Japan.