Notices
General Miata Chat A place to talk about anything Miata

Odd noise when pushing the clutch in.

Old Apr 18, 2012 | 10:40 PM
  #1  
Seefo's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,961
Total Cats: 48
From: Raleigh, NC
Default Odd noise when pushing the clutch in.

I am getting a odd groaning noise from my drivetrain (when stopped) on two occasions:
1) when I push the clutch in and the shifter is in neutral
2) (with the clutch in) when I put the shifter into gear and sometimes when I move it off center.

Its usually momentary and not particularly scary, but I feel like its a sign of future problems?
It seems clutch related, but I am confused as to what cause a groaning/grinding like noise when I push the clutch in. Any advice? Is my trans bout to go boom?

99, 5-speed with 71k miles.
Old Apr 18, 2012 | 11:02 PM
  #2  
flounder's Avatar
Elite Member
 
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,524
Total Cats: 31
From: Detroit
Default

Throw out bearing or damaged release lever?
Old Apr 19, 2012 | 08:45 AM
  #3  
Seefo's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,961
Total Cats: 48
From: Raleigh, NC
Default

I am doubtful its throw out bearing, they tend to make a higher pitch noise right? This almost sounds like a very light grinding. what is the release lever? Excuse my lack of knowledge on transmissions!

...is release lever another term for clutch fork?
Old Apr 19, 2012 | 09:09 AM
  #4  
rleete's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (21)
 
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 6,794
Total Cats: 1,342
From: Rochester, NY
Default

Yes. Grease the end where the slave pushes on it.
Old Apr 19, 2012 | 10:06 AM
  #5  
Seefo's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,961
Total Cats: 48
From: Raleigh, NC
Default

Originally Posted by rleete
Yes. Grease the end where the slave pushes on it.
Thats not it. Thats a squeak or a chirp, but nothing like the noise I am hearing.
Old Apr 21, 2012 | 05:20 AM
  #6  
customfab87's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 74
Total Cats: 1
From: Santa Monica, CA
Default

Might be the pilot bearing. My car was doing the same thing (progressively worse to the point that I had trouble putting it into gear). Thought it was the release bearing till I dropped the trans. Clutch system was brand new. P.O. or mechanic forgot to change the pilot bearing and it was rusted out. d'oh! Replaced the $10 part and reassembled. problem gone.
Old Apr 21, 2012 | 10:12 AM
  #7  
Seefo's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,961
Total Cats: 48
From: Raleigh, NC
Default

Originally Posted by customfab87
Might be the pilot bearing. My car was doing the same thing (progressively worse to the point that I had trouble putting it into gear). Thought it was the release bearing till I dropped the trans. Clutch system was brand new. P.O. or mechanic forgot to change the pilot bearing and it was rusted out. d'oh! Replaced the $10 part and reassembled. problem gone.
Yea, I am getting the pilot bearing suggestion. Interesting, the noise is getting from frequent and its getting hard to shift into first. I got some work to do on this car very soon. :/
Old Jul 13, 2012 | 02:32 PM
  #8  
bucko3the7man's Avatar
Newb
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 6
Total Cats: 0
Default

Any news on this? I've got a 99 with the same thing happening. Very angry sounding grinding when sitting with the clutch in
Old Jul 13, 2012 | 02:42 PM
  #9  
hustler's Avatar
Tour de Franzia
iTrader: (6)
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 29,085
Total Cats: 375
From: Republic of Dallas
Default

Do your tranny-slave a favor and grease your push-rod.
Old Jul 13, 2012 | 02:48 PM
  #10  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,552
Total Cats: 4,368
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

this?

Old Jul 13, 2012 | 02:50 PM
  #11  
bucko3the7man's Avatar
Newb
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 6
Total Cats: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Braineack
this?

No, it's much more like metal grinding. Somewhat like this:
Old Jul 13, 2012 | 02:52 PM
  #12  
Braineack's Avatar
Boost Czar
iTrader: (62)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 80,552
Total Cats: 4,368
From: Chantilly, VA
Default

TOB might be on its way out then.
Old Jul 13, 2012 | 02:55 PM
  #13  
bucko3the7man's Avatar
Newb
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 6
Total Cats: 0
Default

You can feel the grinding in the shifter when it makes that noise if that helps the diagnosis at all. I've been looking around and it seems to be pilot bearing, throwout bearing or i've seen one or two suggestions that it's the shafts of the gears in the transmission. Local shop I brought it to was very convinced it's the shafts of the gears in the transmission.
Old Jul 13, 2012 | 03:53 PM
  #14  
bucko3the7man's Avatar
Newb
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 6
Total Cats: 0
Default

to be clear, this is a grinding noise, not a groaning.
Old Jul 13, 2012 | 05:12 PM
  #15  
Stein's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,729
Total Cats: 166
From: Nebraska
Default

Originally Posted by bucko3the7man
to be clear, this is a grinding noise, not a groaning.
Throw out bearing. It's past dry and now is eating itself.
Old Jul 13, 2012 | 05:18 PM
  #16  
bucko3the7man's Avatar
Newb
 
Joined: Jul 2012
Posts: 6
Total Cats: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Stein
Throw out bearing. It's past dry and now is eating itself.
Even though it happens when the clutch is pushed in? The way I make the sound is by pushing the clutch in and then shifting. You can feel the vibrations in the shifter and it's quite loud, very much unlike the first video posted.
Old Jul 13, 2012 | 05:24 PM
  #17  
Stein's Avatar
Elite Member
iTrader: (46)
 
Joined: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,729
Total Cats: 166
From: Nebraska
Default

Originally Posted by bucko3the7man
Even though it happens when the clutch is pushed in?
That's when the throw out bearing is being used-when the clutch is in, so yes. It's so bad that it's shuddering the whole tranny/shifter.

Time to pull the trans.
Old Jul 14, 2012 | 08:23 PM
  #18  
GAMO's Avatar
Bannisheded
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 203
Total Cats: 9
Default

Originally Posted by bucko3the7man
Any news on this? I've got a 99 with the same thing happening. Very angry sounding grinding when sitting with the clutch in
I'm pretty sure it was the pilot. Track definitely knows, though.
Old Jul 15, 2012 | 01:41 PM
  #19  
Seefo's Avatar
Thread Starter
Elite Member
iTrader: (5)
 
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 1,961
Total Cats: 48
From: Raleigh, NC
Default

It was the bearing that goes into the flywheel/on the flywheel side. I can't remember the name. I have replaced it and now all is happy with the transmission.
Old Jul 15, 2012 | 06:33 PM
  #20  
Racemiata's Avatar
Junior Member
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 84
Total Cats: -14
From: N/A
Default

Sounds like the throw out bearing to me. Must be on its last leg.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:54 PM.