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Old 07-12-2007, 06:58 PM   #1
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Default please post your turbo model, comp ratio, exhuast size, and how much boost at 4000rpm

oh, and maybe at what rpm you make...lets say 8psi.

I know you all hate me, but I have to pick between the gt2560 and gt28rs by tomorrow if I'm going to exchange this turbo. Thanks for the help.
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Old 07-12-2007, 07:02 PM   #2
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GO BIGGER
GT2871 or GT3071

I would go with the GT3071, but I think you'd like the 2871...
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GO BIGGER
GT2871 or GT3071

I would go with the GT3071, but I think you'd like the 2871...


Dude, 250whp is enough. I'm a ***** and scared of that much power when I suck as it is on the 4 tracks I've driven. Seriously, I have a tiny *****.
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It's called roll around at WG until you are comfortable. Your confidence will grow very quickly, and hunger for more power will come with it. 250 will feel slow after a month.

If you need to, convince yourself that the bigger turbo will be safer for you because it won't need to heat up the charge as much.
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Old 07-12-2007, 07:14 PM   #5
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It's called roll around at WG until you are comfortable. Your confidence will grow very quickly, and hunger for more power will come with it. 250 will feel slow after a month.

If you need to, convince yourself that the bigger turbo will be safer for you because it won't need to heat up the charge as much.
I'm worried it won't spool with the low compression. I'd like to be able to get the car moving at 2800 (without putting the pedal on the floor) and like to have 8psi by 4k rpm.

Hawk blues are $100 per set...250whp will be just fine. I'm still toying with the idea of wilwoods.
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Old 07-12-2007, 07:43 PM   #6
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250rwhp??? get the 2554. or I gues sthe 2560 if you think that's too small. you dont need big anything.

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ummm with my boost set at 7psi.
but it basically goes like this:
http://y8spec.com/dyno/turbospool.gif
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t3 S60 .48 A/R (in between the 2560 and 28RS)
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8psi @ 3500RPM
15psi @ 4000RPM


I'd get the 2871.


This assumes 300BHP at 2.2PR (17.5psi)



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+1 on getting a bigger turbo. Turbo lag is not an issue at the track as you should be in the higher rpm range on the track 99.9% of the time. As already mentioned, you have the benefits of upping the boost later for even more power as well as creating less heat (compared to a smaller turbo at higher boost) which is definitely a plus for the track.
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this was me slowly shifting into 5th from 4th gear....300RPM and fully spooled agian...that's about .8sec (no joke)

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I'm torn between this:
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250rwhp??? get the 2554. or I gues sthe 2560 if you think that's too small. you dont need big anything.
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+1 on getting a bigger turbo. Turbo lag is not an issue at the track as you should be in the higher rpm range on the track 99.9% of the time. As already mentioned, you have the benefits of upping the boost later for even more power as well as creating less heat (compared to a smaller turbo at higher boost) which is definitely a plus for the track.
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the reality is on a road course you can only use so much power accelerating out of the turns anyway. So whether you're accelerating with the small or big turbo, you're still using XXX ftlbs to get moving. Your suspension and tires (and *****) are the real power limiter in the turns. It's the point at which your lateral gs have leveled out that you'll take advantage of the bigger turbo. And at that point, if you only want 250hp/ftlbs - just don't press the pedal to the floor. I don't think there's any "con" to either turbo that you can't drive around without thinking about it. It really comes down to how fast do you want to be going at the end of the straight?

I'd personally go with the bigger turbo (and more power) because most of my hours on track have been driving NA Miatas with no power, getting romped on the straights by cars that have LOTS of it. Power can compensate for a mistakes, bad driving and make you look like the "bigger dick" to the uneducated observer - especially big power in a Miata. That said, learning how to drive road courses in a high power car is more difficult than learning in a powerless car. When you make a mistake in the powerless car the result is absolutely painful - yet in the big power car you just mash on the go pedal.

In the end, I don't think the track is the governing criteria here. I think the street driving is- since that'll will more clearly show the differences between the two turbos.
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In the end, I don't think the track is the governing criteria here. I think the street driving is- since that'll will more clearly show the differences between the two turbos.
You're exactly right. Hopefully a year of monthly track days at 96whp has taught me something. I'm not going out to kill everything on the track, just don't want to be so bored on the straights, and have some fun around town. As long as I can make 8psi by 4k rpm, I think I'll be happy. If I could make 12 psi at 4k rpm in the gt28rs, there is no absolutely no question that I'll be happy...and won't be so worried about egt's.

I still want to enjoy driving the car on the street when the weather is nice. People seem to think the gt2560 is perfect for the NA 1.8 motor...so I thought the 99 motor with the better head would move more air, and I wouldn't notice the larger turbine too much, and yeild lower egt's.
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Old 07-13-2007, 10:13 AM   #13
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i run a larger turbo on my 1.6 and it spools plenty good 12psi by 4300 rpm very linear. to spin my 225's i only need to downshift or goose the throttle when i am past 5K rpm. as far as driving around town the feeling is very satisfiying + the larger turbo doesn't have me constantly in boost and this helps with my gas mileage as when i press down abit more the usage of fuel goes up by a whole lot
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If your hp goal is 250, get the gt2560, gt28rs or bigger. Having owned both the gt25r and the gt28rs, I'm much happier with a bigger turbo at 12psi. The gt25r is a great turbo for the 200-220 range but still runs out of steam in the upper rpms. Instant spool is overrated IMO. When I first set out to build my kit, this was the most important thing to me. Now, I can live with a tad of lag(200-300rpms with the gt28rs). I would much rather have a turbo pull hard all the way to the redline. Now I'm thinking GT3071

I've got to finish my post review of the gt25r and gt28rs this weekend....

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If your hp goal is 250, get the gt2560, gt28rs or bigger. Having owned both the gt25r and the gt28rs, I'm much happier with a bigger turbo at 12psi. The gt25r is a great turbo for the 200-220 range but still runs out of steam in the upper rpms. Instant spool is overrated IMO. When I first set out to build my kit, this was the most important thing to me. Now, I can live with a tad of lag(200-300rpms with the gt28rs). I would much rather have a turbo pull hard all the way to the redline. Now I'm thinking GT3071

I've got to finish my post review of the the gt25r and the gt28rs this weekend....
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28rs and 2560 are similar turbos.
http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/dyno_...emy_potato.pdf
honestly I don't think that makes the 28rs look very good.

I think you'd be exstatic with a GT2871r, but I've said that already. It's going to spool a little slower than the 28rs, but the tradeoff is minimal considering it will make a lot more power per psi.

You've also got more RPM to work with with your fancy rods and solid lifters.

If it were my motor, and I were playing with your budget, I'd go 3071r. My motor (which will be similar to yours) is probably getting an ebay T3 or T3/T4.
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If it were my motor, and I were playing with your budget, I'd go 3071r. My motor (which will be similar to yours) is probably getting an ebay T3 or T3/T4.
My budget is spent...I just bought another car, lol.

There is no sense in running something bigger than the gt28rs though, because the car will not put down more than 250whp. I don't want to break the thing. There is no sense in pushing the limits of the drive train...considering that I'll make 150% more power than I have currently. The rev limit is going in at 7500rpm. I know you guys hate me...but if I learned anything with the turbo vw's, it was to tune it conservatively, then enjoy it.
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gt28rs... but we think it might actually be a gt2871rs....

Spool.. no clue... not running yet
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just get the large of the two...do it, do it now. You'll be happier.

if you dont like the spool charaterics, which i doubt, you can always find a fmII guy or BEGi guy that will swap.

I like the 2871 though, same turbine, large wheel, better efficiency.
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Incidentally, with regard to the track use of a turbo car.... you wont notice spool with any of these turbos.



Basically when you shift at 7500 and the RPMs drop back down to 5000 something.... you'll have boost. no problem.
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