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Old Nov 12, 2009 | 02:17 PM
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im not sure if this is the right place to post this but, i found a 2002 miata wrecked in the back and hes selling it cheap. the motor, drive shaft, and diff. are all in good shape.

i have a 1991 miata, exactly how much work and what extra parts would i need to swap the 2002 1.8 ( engine, breaks, and rear-end ) into my 1.6 car?

thanks for all the input, it will all help in some way.
Old Nov 12, 2009 | 02:23 PM
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All bolt in stuff.

You'll need the swap kit from Flyin' Miata for the motor...has some adapter brackets and such...under $200.

There are write-ups on the brake and diff swaps as well.
Old Nov 12, 2009 | 02:33 PM
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The 2002 has VVT. Is there a way to control that in a 1991 now, without having to rewire for the 2002 ECU?
Old Nov 12, 2009 | 02:36 PM
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Flyin' Miata : Tech: 1.8 conversion
thats what iv read so far and it says..
"The 2001-05 heads also have Variable Valve Timing, which is a problem unless you have an aftermarket ECU like the Hydra Nemesis to control it. "
Old Nov 12, 2009 | 03:00 PM
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Take the diff/axles/driveshaft/brakes and sell everything else. If you want a 1.8L you can pick up a used 94-97 for $350 or a 99-00 for $900 with the better flowing head. If you are staying NA, just get a 94-97. Both of those engines will work with your current setup without the need for an aftermarket ecu.
Old Nov 12, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by popesatan
Flyin' Miata : Tech: 1.8 conversion
thats what iv read so far and it says..
"The 2001-05 heads also have Variable Valve Timing, which is a problem unless you have an aftermarket ECU like the Hydra Nemesis to control it. "
'Doh

Yeah...that would be a problem.
Old Nov 12, 2009 | 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by popesatan
"The 2001-05 heads also have Variable Valve Timing, which is a problem unless you have an aftermarket ECU like the Hydra Nemesis to control it. "
Call DIYAutoTune. They have a module that will run VVT in closed-loop mode. It's intended to operate alongside a MegaSquirt, but I expect it could be made to work with any ECU, including a stock one.

Obviously you will not be running with optimal fuel & timing curves if you use a 1.6 ECU on an '01+ motor. Probably not a massive difference, though a few HP are being left on the table.

The NB alternator is also a problem, as it's controlled by the ECU. You can't just install the 1.6 alternator directly, as the pulley is different (V-belt vs. ribbed belt) though I've heard folks mention swapping pulleys. Never tried it, no idea if it works. If you can find a '94-'97 alternator, that'll bolt right in with no hassle at all.

Though in the end, I have to agree w/ rharris. Unless your 1.6 motor is dead or dying, sell the NB motor and use the money to turbo what you've got. Much better ROI.
Old Nov 14, 2009 | 03:52 PM
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Agree with what Mr. Perez said, I would only add that in any event, if considering an entire driveline swap and the undertaking of a massive project, stripping out the wiring harness, etc. Is likely a better solution in every possible way than hacking together pieces from several years of Miatae.
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