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Old 05-11-2009, 11:43 AM
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There is a drain plug in the gas tank you know. That would be far too easy to do right? ******* with a fuel cell and adding all that extra weight makes a whole lot of sense.
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NHRA rules state one gas tank per car, im sure the other sanctioning bodies have the same rule.
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lol say what corosive and kills ****? dude my car has been running on it exclusivly for 4 yrs now problem free, no corosion or anything wtf are you talking about?
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you shuld swap in a evo gas tank.
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Originally Posted by gospeed81 View Post
The point is they are track cars ********.


Autocross=cones

Road course wheel to wheel racing is what spec miata is.



ON TOPIC:

I don't know why you're worrying about a setup that will involve perfecting TWO tunes when you couldn't even get one tune right.

Also, how are you going to know when to switch back and forth between the two if you can't tell when the fuel line is full/empty of race gas during switches.


I see more bent rods in your future young Skywalker.
i did not tune the car myself the first time and after i did tune it my self i made 225whp on 13 psi with out playing with ignition from the maps fm gives you i am also not using the link any more i have aem f/ic now the switch will be flipped a good 5 mins before the pass so i think that will be a good amount off time for the engine to burn the pump gas out plus i am going to t the lines in at the regulator in the engine bay for the return less fuel system

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Damn, fellas! Ease up on the boy.

You will know when the race gas reaches the injectors by the smell of the exhaust gasses, I suppose.
Good for you for taking the initiative and experimenting with something new.

I would personally use the water/meth mix so that the benefits of the extra power/safety would always be available. Meth is safe unless you freebase it.
only here people rip on you as soon as you walk off the path every one els fallows

Originally Posted by Alta_Racer View Post
NHRA rules state one gas tank per car, im sure the other sanctioning bodies have the same rule.
this is was then next thing i was going to look at once i got to hear every thing people thought about it.
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Originally Posted by magnamx-5 View Post
lol say what corosive and kills ****? dude my car has been running on it exclusivly for 4 yrs now problem free, no corosion or anything wtf are you talking about?
you need to read up ISEE - Bio Methanol look under Performance characteristics:

thats one
here is another http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/ert/new-fuel...rw/afrw-07.pdf
under Introduction page 7
The different chemical structures of alcohol fuels (ethanol or
methanol) and gasoline necessitate significant changes to current
vehicle technology. A joint research effort by 14 major U.S. oil
companies and three of the largest auto companies is currently
focusing on experimental and commercial production of flexible fuel
vehicles. These are specifically designed to run on high level
alcohol blends as well as on conventional petroleum-based fuels.
Unfortunately, the reliabifity and durability of flexible fuel vehicles
depends on alcohol solvent and corrosion properties. Unlike
gasoline, alcohols are strong solvents and are more highly corrosive.
Methanol has been found to be more corrosive than ethanol, both
in material degradation and the formation of acid within the
combustion chamber, which reduces the effectiveness of the
lubricating oil.
The solvent effects of alcohol fuels on both the
fuel distribution system and vehicle are addressed in this section,
as well as the corrosion sensitivity of various metals and nonmetals
found in current vehicle and fuel distribution systems.
Finally, a strategy to minimize the corrosive effects of alcohol fuels
is also presented.
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then look under PROPERTIES OF ALCOHOL FUELS page 16 and it shows in a graph that meth is corrosive and also ask any shop and see if there are never problems with meth and icv so eat ****
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You aren't going to make friends and gain useful advice like that.

If you are afraid of methanol then just run water injection or a larger intercooler to keep the IATs down.

Since you can't pass tech running two tanks at a drag track, you might just have to drain the pump gas and replace it with the race gas as was suggested already.
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Don't quote me but I think some organizations require a crash cage around the fuel cell. I know I wouldn't run one without a halo and fire plates in the trunk just for my own peace of mind. Ideally a Halon system too.
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So.. you were going to ask what we thought, and THEN check the rules to see if you could actually do it?

Bravo.
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Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6 View Post
i did not tune the car myself the first time and after i did tune it my self i made 225whp on 13 psi with out playing with ignition from the maps fm gives you i am also not using the link any more i have aem f/ic now the switch will be flipped a good 5 mins before the pass so i think that will be a good amount off time for the engine to burn the pump gas out plus i am going to t the lines in at the regulator in the engine bay for the return less fuel system

Invest in a keyboard with a period. Reading your posts are painful.


Don't even **** with a fuel cell. There's a DRAIN PLUG in the tank. Drain your fuel at the track, run it till it dies and then fill it with race gas. It's a no brainer. But by all means if you want to **** your money into the wind, buy a fuel cell, **** with a rat's nest of fuel lines and switches, and possibly run into more regulatory red tape bullshit at the track then go for it.
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hey look, I found a solution to your problem with wasting gas

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Originally Posted by albumleaf View Post
hey look, I found a solution to your problem with wasting gas




woaha blitz thats jdm hot. use that two fil you're evo tank.
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To the original post, search for a fuel test port. That should leave you with only a few ounces of fuel in your tank.

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There is a drain plug in the gas tank you know. That would be far too easy to do right? ******* with a fuel cell and adding all that extra weight makes a whole lot of sense.
Wrong, there is not a drain plug on 99+ cars
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Originally Posted by thesnowboarder View Post
To the original post, search for a fuel test port. That should leave you with only a few ounces of fuel in your tank.



Wrong, there is not a drain plug on 99+ cars
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Originally Posted by Alta_Racer View Post
NHRA rules state one gas tank per car, im sure the other sanctioning bodies have the same rule.
Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6 View Post
this is was then next thing i was going to look at once i got to hear every thing people thought about it.
Read the rules for the sanctioning body / event(s) you are going to be participating in. Find the commonalities and the tightest constraints, then start thinking out of the box and looking for input.

You'll waste less of your time and the time of those you are soliciting for information and ideas.


Originally Posted by 1990miata1.6 View Post
only here people rip on you as soon as you walk off the path every one els fallows
Running two radiators, two water pumps and independent air feeds to all heat exchangers I am "walking off the path every one else follows". Yet no one has ripped on me for my design choices.

However this is because I utilized the experience of seasoned turbo builders and engineers, looked at the events I wanted to participate in, appropriately scaled my performance requirements within their published guidance and articulately posed questions, concerns and ideas within this forum (and others).

Based upon historical record, the Miata is capable of drag racing but is severely limited within that realm. - It is designed to carve corners, not charge down a quarter mile.

From the small gain you will find from race fuel, you would be better served tuning the car at two boost levels, installing a boost controller and dumping a can of octane booster into the tank prior to each event and running at higher boost. - Fewer moving parts, easier to install, easier to pass tech and most likely at a lower cost.

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Originally Posted by l_bader View Post
Read the rules for the sanctioning body / event(s) you are going to be participating in. Find the commonalities and the tightest constraints, then start thinking out of the box and looking for input.

You'll waste less of your time and the time of those you are soliciting for information and ideas.




Running two radiators, two water pumps and independent air feeds to all heat exchangers I am "walking off the path every one else follows". Yet no one has ripped on me for my design choices.

However this is because I utilized the experience of seasoned turbo builders and engineers, looked at the events I wanted to participate in, appropriately scaled my performance requirements within their published guidance and articulately posed questions, concerns and ideas within this forum (and others).

Based upon historical record, the Miata is capable of drag racing but is severely limited within that realm. - It is designed to carve corners, not charge down a quarter mile.

From the small gain you will find from race fuel, you would be better served tuning the car at two boost levels, installing a boost controller and dumping a can of octane booster into the tank prior to each event and running at higher boost. - Fewer moving parts, easier to install, easier to pass tech and most likely at a lower cost.

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thanks and i see what your saying. the reason why i asked before i looked was some one i know has the full setup i need pump and tank for 100 bucks all of it has only a few months on it.
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This guy is singlehandedly making this forum shittier.
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Basically I've come over to the camp of "If something is a reliability problem on the track, just ask Andrew and do what he says".
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No, he has the usual help:

https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t34991/



Unfortunately he's been around for a while, and every thread he subscribes to or starts goes to **** fast.


Dude, get your car running right before you go making dual gas tanks, ice chilled intercoolers, solenoid activated straight pipe dumps and all that other **** that shouldn't even be on your horizon yet.

Oh yeah, and PUT SOME ******* EFFORT INTO TYPING OUT YOUR POSTS! There's a reason I don't put as much effort as I usually would into my replies to you.
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Originally Posted by Savington View Post
This guy is singlehandedly making this forum shittier.
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