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Old 09-19-2011, 01:15 PM   #21
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Yep. Like most things, internet bullshitting can only get you so far. There's a far cry from what you read on the internet and what reality has to say about an issue.
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Old 09-19-2011, 01:15 PM   #22
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This kinda shows what im talking about, watch that SS launch, even from a roll. If they were close in power that gap would be hard to overcome, obviously the H/C Z06 is gonna walk a intake exhaust LS1, Im just trying to illustrate that tranny setup can make a big difference.
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Old 09-19-2011, 01:19 PM   #23
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Right, I agree with you. Bench racing is nothing more than a way to pass the time and discuss cars. It's in no way a legitimate method of comparing cars.
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Old 09-19-2011, 03:14 PM   #24
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An AWD drivetrain will usually lose between 25% and 35% between the flywheel and the wheels. There's a lot of mass to be rotated. That's going to be somewhere between 200 and 230 horsepowers actually reaching the ground. So he's off by a bit, but not much. If a WRX with driver, passenger, and fuel weighs in around 3200lb and makes 220hp, that's 14.5 lb/hp. If his Miata's making 150hp and weighs around 2200lb with driver and fuel, that's 14.6 lb/hp. So I'd say his claims are feasible.
His numbers are completely off, there is no car trapping 105's that weighs 3000lbs + with 175 whp.

Hes exaggerating how "slow" sti's are and how "fast" his n/a miata is....


The difference between 230whp and 175 whp, I'd say he was off by much, not a bit.


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Nitrodann I hate to break this to you, but I highly doubt your n/a miata beating wrx's story, unless they are some poorly running tired cars driven terribly. There is no way an n/a miata, regardless of bolt ons, will be beating a properly running, well driven wrx.

at 200whp a miata is quick, not fast. its quick enough to take down your average wrx and possibly bone stock sti. a wrx with sti bolt on goodies and a stage2 sti both will trap in the 106-110 range easy and you'll need about 240whp to take those down in a miata.
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Yes he did

i stopped reading after #8.
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Old 09-19-2011, 05:40 PM   #26
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My stock weight (or slightly higher NB):

212whp = 104 trap
300whp = 114 trap
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:07 PM   #27
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This thread sucks
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:25 PM   #28
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My N/A car is less than 200whp, and traps at 99 mph. Car is lightened, but not crazy, with mild cam. I have seen other N/As trap over 100 mph with more cam.

I speculate that Nitro Dann's car will go around 100 mph or more. Lightening makes one hell of a difference.
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Old 09-19-2011, 06:30 PM   #29
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This thread sucks
Says the guy who hasn't been to the strip...
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Says the guy who hasn't been to the strip...
What's the point of this entire subforum?

https://www.miataturbo.net/dynos-timesheets-21/
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Yes the thread does suck.

Ill be more specific here...
My car is as light as you can get without spending money on carbon panels and still having a place to sit and a wheel to steer with.. Its probably 850kg. Its not an 1100kg NB8B with full interior a stereo, PS, A/C and a rollbar.

Its also got 275* cams with 10.5mm lift, 10.5:1 compression, E85, Good intake, good headers and 2.5 inch exhaust, COPS etc, with a 6 speed and flat shifting, I said It beats WRXs. I never said I flog STIs.

We are just having a standard internet theoretical numbers argument here, but I think we can all agree that a 200whp miata holds its own against the regular sort of subaru/mitsubishi stuff you see around town.
Up a winding mountain road with a decent driver and the sort of suspension most of us have... Its a walk in the park.
IN MY EXPERIENCE...

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Old 09-20-2011, 08:29 AM   #32
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What's the point of this entire subforum?

https://www.miataturbo.net/forumdisplay.php?f=21
We are having a discussion here, not displaying any data from a dyno or dragstrip outing. OP had a legitimate question.

The only thing that sucks about this thread is the crappying. Don't like drag racing, go to another thread.
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:29 AM   #33
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Yes the thread does suck.

Ill be more specific here...
My car is as light as you can get without spending money on carbon panels and still having a place to sit and a wheel to steer with.. Its probably 850kg. Its not an 1100kg NB8B with full interior a stereo, PS, A/C and a rollbar.

Its also got 275* cams with 10.5mm lift, 10.5:1 compression, E85, Good intake, good headers and 2.5 inch exhaust, COPS etc, with a 6 speed and flat shifting, I said It beats WRXs. I never said I flog STIs.

We are just having a standard internet theoretical numbers argument here, but I think we can all agree that a 200whp miata holds its own against the regular sort of subaru/mitsubishi stuff you see around town.
Up a winding mountain road with a decent driver and the sort of suspension most of us have... Its a walk in the park.
IN MY EXPERIENCE...

Dann
The fact that its light is cool, except in a drag race that only really matters at low speeds. The cams and high comp does help you, the e85 doesn't really do much on n/a cars, headers and exhaust add laughable gians to miatas, the 6 speed is only weighing you down in such a low torque application.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting down your car just saying its nowhere near 200whp therefore it really won't put up much of a fight against MOST wrx's on the road.

Unless you specifically only mean 02-05 stock 2L wrx's and nothing else. On my 05 wrx with turboback and tune I ran [email protected] On my 07 wrx with the same simple setup I ran low 13's at 102. Bone stock it ran [email protected] My current forester xt (heavier than a wrx with same motor but better gearing) runs [email protected] bone stock. With exhaust that number improves drastically. And we're talking about 2 parts and a tune. If you really start getting into the mods it absolutely makes it a non-comparison.



This thread is kinda interesting except for some of the info is just way inflated.
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Old 09-20-2011, 10:27 AM   #34
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A fully built N/A will not make laughable gains with a full exhaust. Also a well built N/A will not need to make 200whp to go 100 mph in the quarter. It has been done.

100 mph is walking away from anything going 96 mph.
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I'm not going to argue with you on this bullshit. You're like the redheaded bastard stepchild on this forum: your ways of doing things are always very different and unique (and I'm not saying that's a bad thing), but its not the norm, and what you've acomplished in an n/a miata is rarely ever replicated or done by others.

Again, I'm not hating on you, but I'll tell you guys what:
Nitrodann, take your car to the track AS IS without any changes to it from the way you run it on the street. Come back and post up slips. If you truly trap 100 the way it sits I'll shut my mouth and wont question your claims. You have my word. I can dig up the slips to my wrx's if need be. I had 4 of my own and our shop specializes in subarus/evos so I get to see what they do nearly every weekend.
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I dont go drag racing my car every weekend. In fact Ive never taken my NA to the strip. Ive only been in my unregistered dedicated track cars.

All im saying is that at the lights, and your typical 2nd 3rd 4th gear pull up the main road my car has beaten many a turbo subaru. And that satisfies me.

But as for the take it to the strip 'how I drive it everyday', I do genuinely drive it to work and the shops every day with no windows, not even a hardtop window.
Its about as stripped as 'the red beast' is.
I dont care for drag racing, and I almost regret posting in this thread now.
But I think what most people are forgetting here is that when I say my car is light, well its 600lbs lighter than many NBs.

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Its just a discussion man, no need to get hurt by it.
Im genuinely curious to see how your car would stack up in the quarter. Too bad you dont wanna take it there. Have you dyno'd it?
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100 mph is walking away from anything going 96 mph.
i like that you're being literal here. an average human being, when really trucking, can actually walk at approximately 4mph. it's tough, but it has been done. even by someone like me with an inseam that rivals many midgets.

some may argue that 100mph isn't that fast, or it's not "walking" anything. however, you've used sound logic to prove your point, by comparison to actual walking speeds of the average human being. i salute you.

/thread, obviously. your logic is sound.
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LOL devin mac,

Let me be clear that I was refering to walking as figure of speach. One that is commonly used amongst the racing scene.

It means that the faster car is clearly overpowering the lesser car. Walking would not be the same as beating an opponent because of a missed shift, bad start, or red light.

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I ran my car last weekend and trapped 101mph. No idea what it's making at the wheels but based on weight & trap a few online HP calculators suggest somewhere in the 170whp area. 12psi on a big 16g with conservative timing.

A few weeks prior I ran my friend with a basically stock Evo8 (had 272 cams, nothing else) from a 25mph roll and had him by a car at 90. Arguably the cams hurt him down low. This was on a couple more pounds of boost, before my clutch started looking at early retirement.
This seems plausible - and is the problem with these kinds of comparisons. A stock Evo8 should trap 103 - 105 MPH with a decent driver. If your car trapped 101 MPH with 12 PSI and was running ~15 PSI on the street, it's possible that all of that combined with crappy driving or a lack of tune after the cam install let you beat him.

My ~300 WHP Evo8 (mostly stock with a decent tune on 93 AKI) trapped 108 MPH. Interestingly, that was nearly identical to my ~300 WHP C5 Corvette but with a better ET due to lower 60' times.


Go buy a Pbox and hit your test stip and report back with some data.
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