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Old 01-26-2008, 08:57 PM   #21
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Then get whichever is cheapest you should be happy with both.
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Old 01-26-2008, 08:57 PM   #22
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and with light to medium track use I mean max. 4 20-minute sessions (more likely 2 for me) about every month
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Old 01-26-2008, 09:39 PM   #23
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funny, people here swear by r4s's or ultimates for light to medium track use on a streetcar
I can live with a bit more dust and noise, but need pads to work good both on track (novice-level) and street
when you have more than 150rwph you'll change your tune.
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Old 01-26-2008, 09:57 PM   #24
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There is no pad in existence that will work on the track and on the street. Sorry, it's not out there. Use Hawk HP+s if you think you can make them work, but I faded them on street tires and stock power in REAL short order (first session out). I run Raybestos ST-43s on the track and HP+s on the street, and I will probably switch to HPS pads for the street when the current HP+s wear out.

Having said that, there are a couple guys who say they are using Carbotech XP12s on the street with minimal rotor wear. The XP12 is a pretty serious race pad, so if it's true it's very impressive.
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I ran similar length sessions with the Ultimates and they were okay. I ran Cobalt GT-Sport pads (old compound) after the Ultimates wore out. I liked them more than the Ultimates.
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:42 AM   #26
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when you have more than 150rwph you'll change your tune.
I know, but for the time being, I'm at, and will be at 96 rwhp unfortunately...

thanks for the advice all

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Cobalt friction pads anyone?
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Old 01-27-2008, 04:52 PM   #28
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i ran cobalt sport gt pads on my civic, and the pads never faded on me. this was at gingerman, which is not all that hard on brakes... and i had a whopping 120hp.
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Old 01-28-2008, 09:11 PM   #29
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HP+ for my front 1.8s and HP Blacks in da rears, Synpower fluid. My daily commute is 25 miles of twisty mountain driving and it's an awesome combo. No fading whats-so-ever and it bites NOW.
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You ran blacks in the rear. Aren't they a track oriented pad?
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:07 PM   #31
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damn, don't let this turn into a hustler-thread, I need to decide on some damn pads. Though, I have a few weeks before my new seat comes in
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I have been using HPS fronts, and HP+ rears, and love them, no track time tho...
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I have tried many many pads and here are my conclusions.

Axis Ultimates are great from street use in a NA car. They will work for your 1st few track weekends, but will crumble when pushed to the limit. I had a set get so hot they melted the backing plate and welded it to the caliper piston. They also dust very bad.

Hawk HP+ are a really good pad for street use and somewhat aggressive NA track use. Not having to swap pads is kinda nice. They do give up the ghost when you get to the point when you are pushing the braking envelope.

Carbotech pads are awesome and their customer support is great. Give them a call and they will let you know what you need. I ran XP-10s in the front and XP-8s in the rear on the track and would swap to XP-8s all the way around for autocross and street.

I am currently running Hawk HP Blues, Blacks, and HP+s. I run blues on the front and blacks on the back for the track. I run HP+s on front and blacks on the back for autocross and street. They are comparable to the Carbotechs, but cheaper.

I like the more aggressive pad in the back for autocross. It helps with the FR lockup under hard braking and also allows me to rotate the car a little easier when using trailbraking to rotate the car. I like lesser pad in the back on track. It keeps the back end from dancing when braking at the threshold. (From 130mph on the front straight at VIR and braking at or close to the 200 marker)

To the OP...
I would recommend the HP+s to you. They should take anything you can throw at them on the street in a NA car. I don't think you will be disappointed.
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