Originally Posted by EO2K
(Post 844304)
I'm in a similar position as I just picked up a VVT head and I'm trying to decide what I want to do with it.
It puts the head on the block. |
Originally Posted by IcantDo55
(Post 844316)
I have not read any issues with cam sensor other than having to extend the wires.
I ordered a clutch and as soon as that comes in I'll be doing the swap, prob next week. I'll keep the thread updated. Only thing I'm think I'm still hazy on is the coil wiring, but ill figure it out.
Originally Posted by Faeflora
(Post 844368)
It puts the head on the block.
Originally Posted by Ben
(Post 844329)
Mazda used the same part for the cam sensor on all NB Miatas, 99-05.
My situation is slightly different as I need to maintain my stock ecu for emissions compliance. Smog techs out here aren't going to know what all that stock looking VVT crap is on the engine. The VVTuner can easily be mounted up under the dash and the wiring should be the same with the stock ECU or with my DIYPNP, unless I've totally missed something. The rotrex, injectors, MS and COPs can be easily swapped for stock parts for my biennial emissions testing, but the head is a little more of a pain in the ass. |
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Ok so I'm switching my injector harness from my 2000 motor to my 2001 motor to install in my 2000 car.....get that?
I'm going to run the 2000 coil pack for the time being (just bought it for $250 from mazda). So whats this black thing on the back of the 2001 head? https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1332699077 I will eventually be hooking up the4 VVT with the standalone kit for $200 so I want to know if this is needed??? Another question....are the injectors the same? They are different colors? Thanks |
Capacitor for RFI supression. Its not 100% needed, ECU won't even know.
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Originally Posted by Reverant
(Post 853502)
Capacitor for RFI supression. Its not 100% needed, ECU won't even know.
Thanks! |
So how about the injectors? They the same?
Or others searching this later..... the fitted plastic fuel line under the intake manifold is different too but the 2000 one will swap on as long as you loose the mounting thingie near the oil filter and make your own. |
Injectors are different...
http://miataturbo.wikidot.com/fuel-injectors 99-00 (red) 260cc - #195500-3310 01-05 (purple) 265cc - #195500-4060 ...But I honestly wouldn't worry about it at this point :party: Are you going to try to fire it up with the stock 99/00 ECU? I'm seriously curious if this will work on a US spec car. |
Originally Posted by EO2K
(Post 853657)
Injectors are different...
http://miataturbo.wikidot.com/fuel-injectors 99-00 (red) 260cc - #195500-3310 01-05 (purple) 265cc - #195500-4060 ...But I honestly wouldn't worry about it at this point :party: Are you going to try to fire it up with the stock 99/00 ECU? I'm seriously curious if this will work on a US spec car. |
According to Brain, its not 260cc vs 265cc...
Year Make/Model Engine Size/Color Part # 87-88 Toyota MR2 4AGE NA 213cc – Beige Top #23250-16080 89-91 B2220 Truck 224cc - Yellow Top? #23250-74040? 99-00 Mazda Miata 240cc - Thin Red Body #195500-4430 Toyota 4AGE 250cc – Green Top Toyota 4AGE 250cc – Violet Top 94-97 Mazda Miata 265cc - Tan Top #195500-2180 01-06 Mazda Miata 265cc - Thin Lt. Prple #195500-4060 Toyota 3SGE 295cc – Green Top 89-92 Toyota Supra 7MGE NA 305cc – LT Green Top #23250-70080 93-95 Toyota Supra 3.0L 312cc - Maroon Top #23250-46030 Toyota 3SGE 315cc – Pink Top 90-92 MX6/626/Probe Turbo 326cc - Gray Top #195500-2150 89-91 B2600 Truck 326cc - Gray Top #195500-2150 Mazda 323 GTX TURBO 360cc - Black Top #195500-2130 Celica/MR2 3SGE NA 370cc - Green Top #23250-74160 Mazda RX8 420cc - Yellow Body #195500-4450 89-92 Mazda RX-7 NA 440cc - Blue Top #195500-5740 89-91 RX-7 NA 460cc - Red Top #195500-2010 89-91 RX-7 TURBO 550cc - purple top #195500-2020 Looks like I'll be pulling them out and swapping them tmw...yea |
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Honestly, I think the stock ECU can handle the variance. Don't people run Supra 305's with the stock ECU?
And just for the sake of argument, (lol) IIRC when WitchHunter cleaned and flowed my NB1 reds, they did 258cc across the board @ 3bar. I'll see if i can find the flowchart tonight. Edit: Well, I just found this on the WitchHunter site https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1332775346 So I guess that answers that. If you are using the 99/00 ECU I'd use the 99/00 injectors, but that's just me. Are you going to use the 99/00 VICS intake or the 01/05 VTCS manifold? I've always wanted to run a VVT head with VICS + VVTuner. It seems like it would be the best of all worlds. |
Originally Posted by EO2K
(Post 853943)
Honestly, I think the stock ECU can handle the variance. Don't people run Supra 305's with the stock ECU?
And just for the sake of argument, (lol) IIRC when WitchHunter cleaned and flowed my NB1 reds, they did 258cc across the board @ 3bar. I'll see if i can find the flowchart tonight. Edit: Well, I just found this on the WitchHunter site https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1332775346 So I guess that answers that. If you are using the 99/00 ECU I'd use the 99/00 injectors, but that's just me. Are you going to use the 99/00 VICS intake or the 01/05 VTCS manifold? I've always wanted to run a VVT head with VICS + VVTuner. It seems like it would be the best of all worlds. |
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VTCS was for emissions compliance or some such, it blocks the runners. It looks like this:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1332780997 VICS actually had a performance benefit by changing the plenum volume. It looks like this: https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1332780997 http://www.mazdaspeedy.com/2010/03/v...fold-pics.html ^^ Good info with diagrams and pics http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=428283 Keith: VTCS holds no performance benefit at all. It's a restriction in the intake if anything. Think of it as a choke and you've pretty much got it figured out. JasonC SBB: I have a VICS mani on a VVT head. The VICS setpoint adjustment behaves the same way as the 99 head - adds torque in the midrange, ideal switchover ~5600 RPM. http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=301535 ^^ That's Jason's question about the same. Good commentary here from MT bros. https://www.miataturbo.net/megasquirt-18/standard-vics-vtcs-behaviour-52479/ ^^ More commentary on the operation of the VTCS system. You are already wired for VICS with the stock 99/00 ECU, its proven to add torque in the midrange, why not use it? Moar torques = winning https://www.miataturbo.net/diy-turbo-discussion-14/dyno-effect-vics-99-00-turbo-20742/ I've got a complete VVT head in the garage and I've been giving some though to installing it, but I need to maintain my stock ECU for CA emissions. I seriously doubt a smog tech would notice all the VVT crap on top of the head, and the VVTuner could easily live under the dash. I'm SO in for win and awesome on this. EDIT: Just found this related post by Jason w/dyno results from a non-boosted FM 2.0 stroker: https://www.miataturbo.net/engine-performance-56/im-dyno-comparo-vics-vs-vtcs-vs-flat-top-eudm-62200/ FM looks like they did some pretty good comparison stuffs, but this is a turbo car: http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=453219 |
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Here it is in all its glory a VVT + VICS 1.8L Wit new FM1 Clutch.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1332884120 |
It appears to be missing a car :giggle:
Glad you with for the VICS, can't wait for results on this! My VVT head will probably visit the machine shop in a few weeks for a bit of a refresh and a skim. I don't have a 10:1 bottom end so I'm hoping to make up a little compression that way. |
...and all the injector isolators are cracked so I'm waiting on them to come in. Prob put it in tmw. Everything fighting me on this simple swap.
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Its always the small stuff that kicks your ass, keep the faith! :party:
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Sweetness! Looks good.
I may have to research how to put a vics intake on and keep my ecu happy about the missing vtcs. |
Originally Posted by Mobius
(Post 854830)
Sweetness! Looks good.
I may have to research how to put a vics intake on and keep my ecu happy about the missing vtcs. I'm currently running with VICS and VVTS to the V. It's pretty sweet. |
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Its in and running well. Here is how to fit 99 coils to a 2001-05 motor. Simple.
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1333180148 Time to order the VVTuner. |
I was just talking with bryce yesterday about the 01 motor that he has in his car till the built one gets back. Now I am really interested. I'd love to pick your brain about what you did.
Originally Posted by Bryce
(Post 854839)
Just leave the VTCS solenoid plugged in and you won't throw a code.
I'm currently running with VICS and VVTS to the V. It's pretty sweet. now I really want your block when you get the built motor back Bryce!!! |
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