What are the First four things you would do after buying a STOCK MSM?
 

Just bought the car last week. Everything works well. It has 140k on it. Funds are somewhat limited. I'd like the car to Not blow up. I'd like to get rid of the turbo lag.

With that said what are the first things you would do to a stock MSM?:idea:

Dohohoho!!!


0) Prepare your anus
1) Standalone
2) Intake
3) exhaust
4) suspension/wheels/tires

1.ms
2.Ms
3.mS
4.MS!!!
5.win

This. In that order.

This doesn't help... does that mean you have $200 or $2000 to spend?

Answer also depends on your ability to wrench... do you need to buy "kit" stuff that's easy to install and comes with directions, or can you make stuff yourself?

Provide more info.

1: Sell it for more than it's really worth, as is the custom.
2: Buy a stock, non-CA '99.
3: Swap the suspension and wheels/tires from my '90 onto it.
4: Add turbo.
5: Use remaining money to purchase good scotch.

Welcome aboard. :D

5) Built motor
6) Artech EFR setup
7) Fuck bitches
8) get money


Like this.
https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...ch-ms2e-72424/

maintenance
ms

MSM owner here. MS2E from Reverant. $700 right now and its plug and play.

Let's put a cap at $2000. I'd rather spend less than $1000. Keep in mind that I have to buy tires / wheels etc. Let's leave wheels and suspension out of this equation for now.

I can wrench. I don't like to wrench but yes, I have a garage and an awesome set of tools. Guess I prefer the easy stuff that comes with directions.

Thinking mega squirt. But I want to do stuff that is going to make an actual difference in level or consistency of power.

what I already said.

That's what a standalone will do for you. It's hard to describe just how bad the factory ECU is without you being able to drive a factory and a standalone equipped car back to back. With Megasquirt, you'll smooth out the powerband, make more power, keep the power SAFE, you'll be able to exceed 45mph in second gear, and your sex life will improve dramatically.

Long story short: The longer you keep the factory ECU in there, the greater your chance of spontaneously contracting AIDS.

A standalone will probably net you something like 30whp/30wtq across the midrange from 3k-5.5k where the stock ECU is busy choking the system which is the "lag" you notice. The stock turbo does not have lag because it is tiny.

EDIT: If/when you buy new wheels/tires make sure you get 15" wheels that are light. That will also make a huge difference in how the car handles, accelerates, rides (comfortable). The stock wheels are boat anchors.

Bear in mind this is with NO other changes. Standalone/intake/exhaust/boost controller should net you a safe and reasonably fun 200-220whp.

Maintenance- Of course. Which fluid do you recommend for the transmission? Any write ups on how to change that fluid?

Don't know what you mean by MS.



Good info. Does the type matter very much? There are Major price differences. Which one do you recommend and why?

First thing I did was take the 15's off my other Miata and put them on the MSM. (I'm selling my 03 with the MSM wheels)



And that is where I want to be.:bigtu:

ms = megasquirt

for trans fluid I like motorcraft and amsoil

also you should do way more than just fluids: tb, wp, etc etc etc.

start doing your homework. we won't spoon feed you much longer.

MSM = megasquirt your miata.

Motocraft for the fluid and I am sure that Miata.net or mazda-speed.com has a writeup on how to change it.

Megasquirt for two reasons: 1. It is cheaper with all of the same functionality (Get it built by reverant). 2. The support for it on this forum is absolutely unreal and it will allow you to learn to tune by yourself which is rewarding and much cheaper then taking it to a shop who might fuck it up.

Bought my car and it already had all the bolt ons available for it. (begi tb inlet pipe, cold air intake box, fmic, fm catless downpipe, exhaust, turbosmart bov, mbc, coilovers)

0. Maintenance/fluid change/tires
1. Hydra (stupid me i guess)
2. 949racing twin disk organic
3. Koyo 55mm
4. FM shroud and spal fan setup (stage 2?)

It provided me fun for 2 years. Now its getting big boy sized turbo kit and a built engine.

A $2000 budget?
1. Maintenance
2. MS2E
3. Joemazda585 intake
4. Downpipe
5. Exhaust
6. Intercooler
7. Injectors

That will let you get the max out if the stock turbo. The rest is up to your particular goals in other areas.

What if you had a $1000 budget?

Megasquirt, intake, injectors.

what if you had a $1 budget?

Drill holes in airbox for more whooosh sound

Remove muffler for more braps and buy a soda from the gas station.

What about $3.50 guys?

What about $0.75 and a piece of lint?

How about half a McDonalds happy meal and a liter-o-cola?

I'd spend it all.

Can't help but notice you have a Corvette as well. I switched over to miatas after buying one to teach my GF how to auto cross. Drove both and had more fun in the Miata. Been hooked on these little buggers ever since.

When I'm in full race trim I'm spending $1750 for a set of tires twice a season. :dealwithit: And having my double adjustable konis re-done every other year. These cars are arrive and drive. I don't even require slicks to make it work.

Here is some of my work in the Vette:


Thanks for helping a fellow Vette racer out in his Miata.

He doesn't race his vette. It's a limpdick automatic he uses as a penis extension to pick up boys. Normally you'd think that "limpdick" and "penis extension" would be mutually exclusive, but if you ever watch gay porn, you'll notice that only one dude has an erection at a time once the show starts, so to speak.

That should tell you which one he is.

:laugh: that is SO SPECIFIC :eek5:

Blargh. Two things i'm REALLY not looking forward to with the Escort.

Too funny.

Thanks for the help. If I can ever offer you some Corvette racing knowledge I'll be happy to return the favor.

megasquirt and an electronic boost solenoid

wrong fucking thread

1. Maintenance
2. MS2E
3. wideband for said MS2E

1. One way valve for catch can sump drain
2. AEM intake
3. Exhaust
4. Reflash, RX-8 injectors and 12 psi (only if within driving distance to ChipTorque, otherwise some standalone)

Then just leave it the hell alone and drive the thing hard!

Cheapest place to buy a mega squirt?

Do you want to assemble it yourself? Or do you want to plug it in and go?

I'd vote plug it in and go. Reverant. You posted in his thread. :)

Plug it in and go!

In the Corvette the ECU actually learns and adjusts itself based on the way that you drive the car. Not sure how it does this. Do these units have any time of self learning features?

You're lucky i'm around otherwise you'd be getting your asshole torn right about now. You still might. :P

The answer is yes: Almost every modern ECU these days has an "autotuning" function.

The stock ecu in our cars is good for nothing more than to chuck it in the trash.

After that you have 2 straightforward options: Megasquirt and Hydra.

There are others, but they're not as straightforward.

The stock ECU in the later model Miatas has a long-term fuel trim, which biases the entire fuel table up or down based on the past history of the short-term corrections required to achieve stochimetric operation while in closed-loop mode.

That is all.

yawn

This thread belongs on miata.net

Who/what is Reverant? I need a Megasquirt in my life.

Reverant is a mythical creature similar to a liger, who jizzes on your car and it gets faster.

A Megasquirt of jizz?

basically

HAHA!! ^

Nah, I exist, for realz.

If needing to be emissions compliant and not want to swap systems-

1) Intake/exhaust/raised boost to 10psi
2) BEGI ECU reflash. This is how the car should have come from the factory. Not OMFG perfect, but a thousand times better than stock
3) ditch the shitty 4.1 rear gear for a 3.9
4) suspension

If not worried about emissions, replace BEGI reflash with standalone. The stock turbo is good for ~210-220rwhp IIRC. The 4.1 diff. is such a PITA. I have my stock 3.9 and everytime I jump from my car to the MSM, it's such a noticeable difference. The stock suspension is pretty bouncy and too soft, IMHO. I'd focus on uncorking the tuning and the short gears, followed by suspension and then power.

He's in Louistucky, no emissions.

The BEGI reflash is scary and all the money. There's a big hubbub about it over on mazda-speed right now about how it blew up a customer car and the responses from BeGi concerning it are less than professional, as well as some pretty curious stuff coming from their mouths. (High 12s AFRs under full boost is fine! Just kidding, it's less than ideal! Errrr i mean Corky told me to say it's fine! But it's not ideal! Either way, there's NO WAY it blew up your motor lol!)

I especially enjoyed the comment from them that said, "Are you sure you didn't accidently put diesel in it or that the 93 pump did not dispense diesel into your car? This kind of stuff happens all the time." That was epic.

"We definitely tuned the car to run dangerously, but it's CLEARLY the customer's fault that it blew up."

Is that the guy who posted on M.net with pictures showing clear oil starvation and then blamed Begi?

I dunno. I've posted on Miata.net twice.

It's HellionMX5 or whatever.

I think it is the same guy. There were definitely indications that he was at least partially, if not entirely, to blame. However, what was pissing everyone off was that his tune was also clearly dangerous and BEGI was just acting like it was all good to tune for 12.5 AFRs. Yes the guy was an idiot because he noticed knock and still drove the car but he did call BEGI and pretty much was told everything was fine with the tune.

Not to mention making some very ignorant comments like the one I listed above. I don't know what gas stations do where they are but I have never heard of someone getting diesel from a 93 unleaded pump. It was all just shady bullshit.

lol yeah I'm reading his Reflash Review thread right now, and it's full of lulz.

Begi certainly did not handle it properly, but the guy came to them with "Hey you blew up my motor but conveniently all evidence of any wrongdoing on your part was not shown or too late to gather, so you'll just have to take my word for it!"


AHAHAHAHA I just got to the part where he admits he had an exhaust leak. Gee I wonder why he was reading lean?

a gas car wouldnt run with diesel in it lol. that is hilarious...the owner of the car should have gotten a few other opinions on that and did his research before hand on what AFR's should look like. 12.5 is terrible for boost.