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TravisR 12-11-2008 01:04 AM

Everything has been priority mailed as of yesterday so it should be there by the weekend. Unfortunately work, school, and this really got the best of me for about a week. My appologies.

CoralDoc 12-14-2008 08:59 PM

Received yesterday - thanks!

TravisR 12-16-2008 12:45 AM

Great, letme know how the install goes!

JimAtFSU 12-16-2008 02:49 AM

Sweet, it arrived, probably a few days ago. I was expecting it to arrive UPS but it was in my mailbox in an envelope. Much smaller than I expected.

Installing it today.

TravisR 12-16-2008 10:00 AM

Sorry for the anti-climatic end ;) They are pretty tiny, I remember thinking that myself when I deboxed the boards.

dafastone 02-05-2013 04:54 PM

I know this thread is old, but are dwell reducers still being sold?

thanks

JasonC SBB 02-05-2013 11:20 PM

I thought some guy made some on m.net?
If not I may work on a new design.

dafastone 02-05-2013 11:46 PM


Originally Posted by JasonC SBB (Post 975680)
I thought some guy made some on m.net?
If not I may work on a new design.

I have been looking and have not found much success in finding someone selling them. But if your making some Im interest. please let me know. also are you in the bay area? I think i can recall you being in san jose.

JasonC SBB 02-08-2013 03:34 PM

If nobody's doing it I will re-start my project.

I'm in SJ and your car could be the test bed.
What year ECU do you have?

dafastone 02-08-2013 04:13 PM

I have the stock 94 ecu

gmk 02-14-2013 02:29 PM

Please let me know if you will be making any more dwell reducers, I would like to use Trackspeed engineerings cop kit but need the dwell reducer.
Thank you very much, George

gmk 02-14-2013 02:29 PM

I have a stock 2000, thanks

timk 02-19-2013 04:46 AM

4 Attachment(s)
Jason, I had a place build a batch of them but they didn't work as expected. One of the guys doing the testing reported back with this:


An Electronic Engineer friend (who now wants me to "look" at his rear suspension) has helped me find the problem an a fix.

The board works fine when only one channel is opperating but not when both channels are opperated simultaneously. The problem is the reference voltage to the opp. amps is not stable and gets worse when both channels opperate, to the point where the "tipping" voltage is not reached.

The quick fix is to solder a 47uf capacitor across R6. This stabilises the reference voltage and allows both channels to work simultaneously. However, as the frequency (engine speed) increases, the "averaged" reference voltage will increase and the delay time (dwell reduction) increases. On my board, the delay time varried from 1 to 1.2 ms over the expected engine speed range (it was 1.6ms when only one channel was opperated).

A better fix would be to replace R5 and R6 with 1k ohm resistors and add the capacitor across R6. This will reduce the influence of the opp. amps input impedance and reduce the change in dwell time with frequency.

A possible even better fix would be to replace R6 with a Zina diode as well as the above, but you may need to change the R/C circuits to return to the desired delay time, depending on the voltage drop of the diode.

Bottom line, you will need to change the boards to make them work.
I tested them on the bench using a PIC, but only ever tested one channel at a time:

Testing rig:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1361267196

Testing 'A' part of board:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1361267196

If you get a chance I'd love to hear your feedback!

I ordered from an earlier BOM but had a later revision of your PCB layout file, hence the jumpers. Does the later revision incorporate the above fixes?

Cheers

Amellrotts 02-19-2013 08:33 AM

Guy on M.net took our money and sold us dwell reducers that didn't work and he didn't stand by his work! Mikerx or something like that? All I know is he fucked me!

JasonC SBB 02-19-2013 10:28 AM

Amellrots is your PCB the same as the above? If so could you mail me yours?

Amellrotts 02-19-2013 10:30 AM

Yes, can you fix it maybe? Please PM me your address and phone number and I will get it shipped out to you!

timk 02-27-2013 07:47 AM

Want me to send you one of mine too Jason? Mine is a completely different build to the miata.net GB.

JasonC SBB 02-27-2013 03:54 PM

Where did you get it? Whose PCB layout is it?

SlowInSlowOut 08-31-2019 11:22 AM

what's the latest on this? been wanting to put in Toyota COPs for a few years but never seemed to get in on group buys or find someone selling them...

hks_kansei 09-01-2019 10:07 PM

I think most people just go for a standalone ECU where the board isn't needed.
Stock ECU is fine with stock coils.


If for some reason you really want one of the boards I think I still have one of the Timk ones rattling around a drawer in my toolbox.
Never used it, and you'll still need to do the changes Tim mentions in his post above.


In saying that, you're still probably better off changing ECU, or staying fully stock.
I've never actually heard of anyone getting any of the dwell reducer boards to work. (which would probably explain why nobody sells them anymore)


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