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vaporware.... Starting to wonder if this company actually produces anything.... Great ideas, no product...

Hah,
I thought we were moving pretty quickly. Single handidly find coils, design a standalone igniter, plug and play connectors, tach output, dwell reducer box, harness, and make sure its reliable at the extremes of operation? This is not a quick process to do. If you guys would be willing to pay 800 dollars a unit I could hire an electrical engineer, buy the equipment to produce everything, and have this out in a couple weeks. Its a solid product, the best out there, and because I want to offer it at a solid price point I negotiate with manufacturers to absolute bone on cost. That sometimes means the part I need gets done when they don't have anything else to do. Which is what has happened on some of these pieces.

Its tough to make it in the Miata market. Most people are bargain hunters, and regardless of how great it is, no one is going to buy it if its not a good value.

So soon, yes, but everytime we have to change something, the delay is large because we start back over again in cue. We are done making changes, but that doesn't mean its going to be done tomorrow I'm definitely tired of saying next week. I've learned what other aftermarket manufacturers have. Use the word soon... alot!

We just need a little bit of patience. We attacked a tall order, and we made everything in this system from scratch. The circuits, the connectors, and the harness. It was no small task.

Just think of my impatient bitching as product demand! :)

Seriously though, you guys look to be fabbing some awesome stuff and I'm looking forward to this stuff hitting the market!

I understand definitely, it frustrates me as much as you guys trust me!

At any rate... DONE! :giggle:

First 94-up

I'll post more details, the install video, and we'll get out official test results soon.

Any more news on these it has been over a week?

I haven't finished testing all the kits yet. I have 99-up person I'm going to test it with as soon as I get the housing back. We unexpectedly had to make an adjustment on that, one of my connector ports snapped off the housing. Can't sell that kind of equipment, so I'm going to find another place to do the housing that uses better techniques.

Wow, nice! I want!

me too

So you are not going to release the versions you have test till they are all tested? Do those of use running MegaSquirts even need the dwell reducers?

Well there are a couple of other features built in to the boards. There is a tachometer signal output, a diagnostic based feed back for years that use that. There is also coil drivers built into the box because these coils don't have drivers built into them. Ontop of that we threw in the dwell reducer function for the people who can't control their dwell.

I am willing to release them seperately, but we're just making sure the quality is a hundred percent. At this point we could sell these, but I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that yet because its just not tweaked to perfection yet.

+1

WOW, I'm impressed, can't wait to see these finally on the market. I'm glad to see you are taking your time and doing it right. I've been in the miata world for about 7 years now and bought a lot of different parts....been the early adopter several times and had to put up with the frustration of not getting all the necessary parts or issues up front. I'm glad to see you're trying to ensure that doesn't happen....you've learned rather early for the "typical" miata vendor. And don't worry, not meeting promised dead lines bites every vendor in the ass pretty quickly :)

Can't wait to get my set, keep up the good work.

You are more patient then I am. If they are not on the market in 3 months, I will be forced to get off my lazy ass and build a set.

+1 :facepalm:

I know, I just want it to be right. I don't want anyone getting this and then it leaving them stranded somewhere.

I'd def be in on this. Although fortunately I am in no hurry.

90-93
 

I see that you have 94 and up. Are there plans for doing the 90 - 93 models? I have a Link ECU so it's great that the dwell reducer is built in. IF you are planning on the 90-93 setups, what would the time frame be? Also, what price point are we looking at with these setups?

Yea we've got the 90-93 housings done already. We have to do another circuit board to fit those, but that won't take anytime once we get the full release version of this 94-up circuit. We did recieve a new housing on the 94-up and that is being tested now for strength. Once thats over we'll get both versions out there.

Now that I'm salivating for one of these setups. Any chance that you are also going to fab a hold down bracket, or is it not needed with your setup

There is none needed. it fits perfectly in the sparkplug hole just like an OEM sparkplug. So its held in by the sparkplug hole, and a really solid attachment on the end of the sparkplug.

waiting patiently. This will go well with the 3071 and 750's

I will be using an AEM ECU on my car once I have it back on the road. I want to go to a COP setup, but my problem is this...... I am at a fork in the road as to whether I should leave the 1.6 in the car or go ahead and install the 1.8 I have waiting. That is in debate b/c of the cost to swap in the 1.8 at this juncture when my 1.6 is still strong. I know I will be going to a 1.8 eventually.

So the question is, do I buy the COP kit for the 1.6 when available, then buy the individual 1.8 peices when to swap over later?

Well it depends on if you replace the harness or not. If you replace the harness then yes, you definitely will have to splice some things to make it work because we make it all plug and play. If you don't replace the ignition harness you wan't have to change anything. So it really just depends on what your doing.

Travis, hate to be a nag but I'm working on a 3071 and 750's to upgrade my 94 FMII/Link built engine, etc. and really want this COP solution to be a part of this process. Any idea on a timeframe? Will it play well with the full Link standalone?

Yea it willw ork fine with the link. I will know more on the unit when I hear from my electrical guy tomorrow. We were thinking about getting preorders together soon so we are very close.

Sign me up.

Me too if there is a timeline that will be kept.

I just read 5 pages of amazingness...
If it work for 97 OBDII cars with stock ECU (which i'm sure it does)

sign me up! (my plug wires and coil are taking a crap anyway)

3071 and 750's on order, cash in hand, ready for the cops, no pressure.... :)

How's this coming?

Doing great, I've beat this system to death for a few days now on the new setup. Idle is better, tip in is stronger, and guess what? No plug wires, and its actually a good weight reduction over the standard kit. All win situation. I did send the board back for a final analysis to see if any components were getting beat on. We might make a few component changes but I'm thinking preorders will be available by Friday or next Tuesday depending on when he gets all of the component analysis done.

Sounds great. I'm definitely in unless i run out of money first. Just added WI to my "on-order" stuff.

bump for update.

The final thing we're doing is sending it off to this other engineer I know for a sign off. He has all the credentials Ph.D. Electrical Engineering, Professional engineering liscense, worked for NASA, lots of research. We got it to the 99% mark but he's going to do the life analysis and see if there are any other changes that need to be made. The units are going to be designed for a minimum of 5 years of life under daily driven conditions. That will be his job to get it to the 5 year mark. Some will last longer but thats what we're shooting for. When I hear back from him on what he thinks we need to do I'll know when we can take orders. I expect things to be beefed up, but no more board / enclosure changes.

travis, have you fit this on an 01+ yet? the valve cover holes are smaller than the earlier cars and there's a lot of metal from the 01 coils that interfere with the Toyota COPs. May be worth a specific test fit.

I have a friend with an 03 here. I'll have him come over this week and we'll fit it up.

Travis, Take my money!! Lol

I want the first set man, I'm getting blow-out at 6k with almost no gap, this monster needs cops!!!

How much are we looking at again(not that it matters)

-Dean

Pre-order thread is setup in group buy. 389 for the early birds!

Acid Test:

Travis any chance to see an open air gap test of your system vs. the factory coils? Meaning max gap video or photo. It would be a great selling point (visual proof) of the factory system vs WeaponX and seeing the real power of the coils.

Do you have any oscilloscope waveforms of the secondary ignition system in action? Specifically to see the multiple spark discharge. Although this I would assume is only at idle or low RPMs.

I saw the photo you posted but the plug gap looks factory...in open air anything can pretty much bridge that gap.

We actually scrapped the multi-spark. You can't do multi-spark on a wasted spark ignition system or you will be firing ignition events in the bottom of the intake stroke which can cause back fires. Even at idle it would be very close and you would have to run 16 degrees BTDC just to get one spark in. It was our original intent, and we can do it, just not with the factory system.

Theoretically even if the electrodes were round our system should be able to jump a gap of 2cm. With sharp points it could go as much as 6 inches probably. We could set something up like that.

We also do not have oscilloscopes capable of reading the secondary voltage. Its too high. We got our figures from WeaponX and we have no reason to believe they would be wrong.

Any chance of further discounts if pre-order GB said exceed 10, 15, 20 units?

We can't offer any further discounts. We've got hundred and hundreds of man hours and thousands of dollars invested into these kits. We have to get the capital back out so we can move onto other projects. It also takes considerable time to make each one, and it is made in America so the labor is not cheap. I'm afraid the best I can do is the price stated.

We actually did pickup an attachment capable of reading the output voltage at the spark plug. I also talked to the on staff electrical engineer about a gap test. He is going to set something up and get some pictures to me.

Travis

Very cool indeed, thanks!

Which wire will you clip onto at the Dyno?

You should be able to use the wires to any coil as the pickup.

Anybody see voltage spikes in your Megalog logs ?

It was pointed out to me that I have 0V to 20V fluctuations/spikes and I'm wondering if it has something to do with the 10'000 uf cap and resitor that is part of my COP set up ( ? )

Its inductive kickback from the dumping of the inductive energy back into the system. You could see as high as 300v, but 30-40v is probably very likely over microsecond time intervals.

Thanks Travis !!!

Does it hurt anything ?

Do I need an inductor in there somewhere ? :vash:

It's probably pertinent to note that you are not running WeaponX coils.
With respect to Travis, I think you have something else going on.

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If your using another COP system, you're likely to have an inductive kickback, but this is probably 20 us time frame. If it happens over seconds, then its definitely a problem elsewhere.
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If it is on that time scale then it is likely inductive kickback. Your IGBT's or transistors that you are using to drive should more then easily be able to deal with the spike. Dampening it with an RLC circuit tune would only serve to actually weaken your spark.

True - I do not have Weapon X coils.

I have been getting a lot of comm resets. The car runs fine however aside for some cold idle issues.

Could the regulator be going south ?

Tomorrow I will check grounds ( again ) and maybe have the alternator checked out.

If I can find my O scope I may venture to check/test with it but I don't know how I would isolate the spike unless it shows up as more pronounced as you near the source.

There was a shit load of posts on this in the actual MS forum but 99% of them have to do with people who built their own. Mine is a PnP so I don't know if the circuit topology or design has changed or if it applies to mine.

I could not read all of them but the causes basically broke down into components that needed to be corrected or changed such as capacitors, ground issues and alternator issues.
So it would seem that I should check first my grounds and then alternator for ripple and regulation.

Now that the other thread has been locked, I want to know if anybody has received their packs in the last 2 months. I was supposedly pretty high up on the list, and have not heard anything since early December. Any updates??