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Old 06-19-2008, 05:37 PM   #21
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For extra $$$ I'd certainly welcome some updated features to my link. $100 would seem like a pittance to get Launch Control for example.
I think it its as simple as coding the algorithms, then why not offer it at no extra charge to enhance the quality of the product in general?
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I think it its as simple as coding the algorithms, then why not offer it at no extra charge to enhance the quality of the product in general?
Depends on how much development it takes to add the functionality. Time is money right? I'm not saying that they should be charging, but I still don't think they are doing anything wrong.
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Depends on how much development it takes to add the functionality. Time is money right? I'm not saying that they should be charging, but I still don't think they are doing anything wrong.
I guess market demand would dictate service trends. It makes me happy to drive an NA with MSpnp, and not the NB where there is other crap to deal with.
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And that's the great thing about choices. You don't have to buy a hydra and pay for updates.
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You have a point, Joe, however in this case it is in fact a completely new platform. It would be comparable to going from Win 98 to Win XP, and not comparable from going from say XP Service pack 1 to Service pack 2.

Personally I think they should have named it Hydra 3.0, since that's really what it is.

I'm pretty much done with the first run of our manual for it. I just have to figure out the autotuning feature and write it out. (It is completely different and more involved.) Once that's done we should be good to go on shipping.
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Exactly. The MSPNP is $1200 cheaper and firmware updates are free.
They are free for different reasons. MS is all open source, so everyone contributes and its a joint effort so not as difficult to generate new code. While, I guess, the hydra requires paying people a salary to innovate and improve it.

Different methodologies, unix vs windows. Same thing.
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well if its new hardware, then it makes sense. I think it sucks for the people who bought ECM's yesterday though...lol.
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They are free for different reasons. MS is all open source, so everyone contributes and its a joint effort so not as difficult to generate new code. While, I guess, the hydra requires paying people a salary to innovate and improve it.

Different methodologies, unix vs windows. Same thing.
Linux yes, Unix not necessarily. There is plenty of commercial Unix releases and other non open source licensing.
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I think this is stupid unless the are sending them a complete new board.

I remember keeping my old link thru firmware changes because I did not want to spend the cash on a new chip.
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the real question their potential customers should be asking is:

will I be fucked when the next version rolls out?

the answer: probably. almost positively. they did it with 2.17. they did it with 2.5. they will do it with 2.6 when the next version is out.
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the real question their potential customers should be asking is:

will I be fucked when the next version rolls out?

the answer: probably. almost positively. they did it with 2.17. they did it with 2.5. they will do it with 2.6 when the next version is out.
sounds like the hydra is pretty sh#$y if they have to keep fixing it like this
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They are free for different reasons. MS is all open source, so everyone contributes and its a joint effort so not as difficult to generate new code. While, I guess, the hydra requires paying people a salary to innovate and improve it.

Different methodologies, unix vs windows. Same thing.
Understood, but why would you pay all this extra money when you already spent more for the Hydra? I understand the industry perspective, but dammit we are not the industry, we are the consumer, and as such I'm looking at this from a consumer's perspective.

Hydra:

pay $2000, then pay extra for a firmware upgrade.

MSPNP:

pay $800, free firmware upgrades, free middle connectors, etc.

DIYautotune will have my loyalty because they don't nickel-n-dime me after the initial purchase.
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Different business models featuring different products in different markets. Sorry, no matter how much you compare a MS to a Hydra, they're only comparable in the way a speed3 is comparable to a S63AMG.
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Different business models featuring different products in different markets. Sorry, no matter how much you compare a MS to a Hydra, they're only comparable in the way a speed3 is comparable to a S63AMG.

Fair enough. How about comparing it then to: Haltech, AEM, Autronic, etc.?

If Hydra was competing in a market where every competitor charged for their updates then I would understand but that is not the case.

To me as a customer, this doesn't make sense. Y8s mentioned a guy who'd bought his 1 month before. I surely wouldn't like to be in his shoes.
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If you want to compare Hydra to similarly priced and featured (though not similarly supported) ECUs, I'm OK with that. I'm just tired of the MS > Hydra threads which are so totally not true. MS is a better value. Hydra is a better piece of equipment. I swear to the lords of kobol that if unwarranted and ignorant Hydra bashing continues, the ban stick is going to get a work out.
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If you want to compare Hydra to similarly priced and featured (though not similarly supported) ECUs, I'm OK with that. I'm just tired of the MS > Hydra threads which are so totally not true. MS is a better value. Hydra is a better piece of equipment. I swear to the lords of kobol that if unwarranted and ignorant Hydra bashing continues, the ban stick is going to get a work out.

I totally understand your point of view. One question only: I'm running around with an AEM (shitty support) but as an EMS; what can the Hydra offer me that the AEM doesn't? BTW, I just installed the newest AEM firmware and it was free.
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