Originally Posted by Rafa

To me as a customer, this doesn't make sense. Y8s mentioned a guy who'd bought his 1 month before. I surely wouldn't like to be in his shoes.

Originally Posted by hustler

There is enough of a fear factor (in Dallas at least) that MSpnp is a big bird nest of black boxes and mystery inside the case, which supposedly will never work right and somehow blows up engine unsuspectingly. Someone asked me last night, "are you comfortable putting 'gray market, fly by night' engine management on such a nice engine and turbo system?" People still think the more money you spend, the more you get. People in Dallas still think PC-Pro is superior to MS for reliability. I don't get it. Last night I also hear that my turbo car is going to overheat on the track, break studs, and I won't be able to get it tuned and blow it up. "You should have gone with an M62 and pcpro because all these people have it and it works." People act like its a miaracle that I've been driving a car on MS for 6-months.



I thought about buying Hydra long and hard before I made my decision to get MS because I was worried about efficacy, which I now understand was not a concern.

Originally Posted by Stealth97

Jerry showed me a picture today of a 1,600 hp camaro, that runs a megasquirt. If it can run a MS, I sure as hell will never need a $2k ecu.

Originally Posted by Ben

The new version costs $100 more than the old version. The upgrade fee is $100. The dude has 0 room to bitch.

Originally Posted by Pitlab77

sounds like the hydra is pretty sh#$y if they have to keep fixing it like this

Originally Posted by JayMX5

I'm the dude, so here's my stance on it. It's not about the money at all. This is the engine management I want to run on my 01 and my build will be complete around the end of July. I have been slowly acquiring pieces over the past 6 months or so and this was one of them. When I made the purchase I stated to them that my build wouldn't be finished for another couple of months. This was told to FM specifically so I could avoid something like this. So, when the customer is told by the vendor specifically there's no reason to wait a couple months, I expect it to be the truth. I'm pissed that I wasn't told and I have to go through the hassle of sending it back to them just so they can send it to someone different to get the update done. It's a stupid gripe to have, but oh well.

Originally Posted by J.T.

x2 Megasquirt is a pretty powerful device. From just some quick reading(and I mean really quick) about the hydra, vs. my more extensive reading about the MS, they look like they pretty much offer the same stuff. So I'll just ask it, what does the hydra offer that the MS doesn't, specifically though, id it enough to justify almost $1300?

Originally Posted by hustler

another nguyen for MS.

Originally Posted by JayMX5

I'm the dude, so here's my stance on it. It's not about the money at all. This is the engine management I want to run on my 01 and my build will be complete around the end of July. I have been slowly acquiring pieces over the past 6 months or so and this was one of them. When I made the purchase I stated to them that my build wouldn't be finished for another couple of months. This was told to FM specifically so I could avoid something like this. So, when the customer is told by the vendor specifically there's no reason to wait a couple months, I expect it to be the truth. I'm pissed that I wasn't told and I have to go through the hassle of sending it back to them just so they can send it to someone different to get the update done. It's a stupid gripe to have, but oh well.

Originally Posted by J.T.

x2 Megasquirt is a pretty powerful device. From just some quick reading(and I mean really quick) about the hydra, vs. my more extensive reading about the MS, they look like they pretty much offer the same stuff. So I'll just ask it, what does the hydra offer that the MS doesn't, specifically though, id it enough to justify almost $1300?

Originally Posted by JayMX5

I'm the dude, so here's my stance on it. It's not about the money at all. This is the engine management I want to run on my 01 and my build will be complete around the end of July. I have been slowly acquiring pieces over the past 6 months or so and this was one of them. When I made the purchase I stated to them that my build wouldn't be finished for another couple of months. This was told to FM specifically so I could avoid something like this. So, when the customer is told by the vendor specifically there's no reason to wait a couple months, I expect it to be the truth. I'm pissed that I wasn't told and I have to go through the hassle of sending it back to them just so they can send it to someone different to get the update done. It's a stupid gripe to have, but oh well.

Originally Posted by Miatamaniac92

For alot of those guys it comes down to tuning. They can get it street tuned very quick and never have to worry about it. They don't wanna hassle with it, or with squeaking out a couple more ponies.

There's alot more local support for those guys for running M62/superchargers. They don't have to blaze any trails and there's more security in that.

Chris

Originally Posted by Ben

The Hydra does tons of things the MS doesn't. Do a little research and you'll quickly see how the Hydra has pretty much unlimited I/O where the MS is basically tapped out.

Full sequential fuel, full sequntial ignition, 3D VVT control, super huge resolution tables. Is this describing MS or Hydra?

Originally Posted by y8s

and most of my complaints about the hydra (UI and logging) have been very nicely dealt with. and it's STILL dirt cheap compared to a MoTeC.

Originally Posted by y8s

I'm gonna side with ben on the hydra vs. ms debate. the ms can't even do sequential injection.

and most of my complaints about the hydra (UI and logging) have been very nicely dealt with. and it's STILL dirt cheap compared to a MoTeC.

Originally Posted by y8s

not fixing, improving.

perhaps you've heard of widows xp service pack 3