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Old 09-26-2007, 09:23 PM   #21
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They need to market it under the Infiniti name. It's laughable that Acura, Infiniti and Lexus cars are all labeled Honda, Nissan and Toyota in the rest of the world. 15 years ago the US market just wouldn't pay that much money for what was perceived as a budget brand. New names and separate dealerships and the US bought into them big time. Jeez we're sheep. Bah.

Personally I'd buy a GTR! I'd just buy mine 3 years old for 1/3 the money.
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there's an 06 Z06 for BIN ebay $50k... wonder what $40k would do for it. :gay:
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unless theres lots of miles thats about 15k under book. Im not sure what you could spend 40k on for a zo6 without making it look stupid or undriveable.
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You will have to do a lot of convincing for a dude with 94k to buy a GT-R..
Not really, look at the numbers, take a test drive and I think the product sells itself. Infiniti tried to get Nissan to place it as an Infiniti in the U.S., but Carlos Ghosn said no, that it began it's life as a Nissan and will be brought to every market as a Nissan. I think the marketing blitz will compare it directly with cars such as the Porsche GT3, Aston Martin Vantage, Lamborghini Gallardo, Audi R8 (which is more a competitor for it in terms of price), and the Ferrari F430 (not the Scuderia or CS). It's 0-60 times, 1/4 mile times, and possibly even lap times at the Nordschlieffe. It's power figures fall right in line with all of those cars from all the speculations and "leaks". Similar to what they did with the Titans, at the dealerships they had little stands with posters showing comparisons to the Chevy 1500, Ford F150 and Toyota Tundra. People were up in arms when the GT-R ceased production and when the GT-R Proto was shown 3 years ago the collective murmur was deafening.

I'm not going to argue that getting people to part with $94k for "just a Nissan" may be a stretch for some, but it's going to sell no matter what. Not on the same scale as the Sentra or Altima, but without a doubt dealerships will be backordered on this car.
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The Supra TT, 300ZX TT, RX7 TT, and the 3000GT
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i don't even think that the 3000gt is in the same league as the others, vr4 or not
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They need to market it under the Infiniti name. It's laughable that Acura, Infiniti and Lexus cars are all labeled Honda, Nissan and Toyota in the rest of the world. 15 years ago the US market just wouldn't pay that much money for what was perceived as a budget brand. New names and separate dealerships and the US bought into them big time. Jeez we're sheep. Bah.
Many Lexus' are marketed as Lexus in the rest of the world. Infiniti is beginning to be sold in the European market right now.

The big thing is, the rest of the world knew what a Skyline was long before Playstation brought it to the U.S. via gaming. When Motorex brought the R-32, 33, and 34 over, a 10 year old R-32 would cost you $29k and a 2 year old R-34 GT-R would still fetch almost $90k. They sold and did so with limited resources in terms of replacement parts and what not in the U.S. since no other car shared it's goodies. With an installed dealer network and a factory warranty, why wouldn't anyone who would be willing to buy an R-34 be willing to buy an R-35?
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well the 300zx cant be compared either....the supra with the 2jzde-tt and the rx-7 with a 13b-tt are like the two "super cars" of the day

i see pleanty of 300zx turbo and no-turbo...how often do you see a 3rd gen RX-7 or a Supra?
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I think the most advanced system on the viper is the sensor on the convertibles that drops the side windows an inch then raises them to seal with the roof.
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well the 300zx cant be compared either....the supra with the 2jzde-tt and the rx-7 with a 13b-tt are like the two "super cars" of the day

i see pleanty of 300zx turbo and no-turbo...how often do you see a 3rd gen RX-7 or a Supra?
None of these cars are in the same class as the GT-R, the R-33 Skyline GT-R was the first non-supercar to lap the Nordschlieffe in less than 8 minutes. Virtually every form of motorsport the Skyline GT-R entered it dominated. It has a pedigree almost unmatched by any other mass produced vehicle.
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damn, $94k is a lot! At that price I'll buy a used sportcar
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I predict these cars will sell in the NOVA/ cali area haha. I mean seriously, I see more porsche GT(x)s here along with lambos and vipers then i've ever seen in my life. People just dont care about money sometimes. That is the market Nissan is after.
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I don't understand why people always bring up the make of a car when complaining about price, as if only Porsches, Ferraris and Lambos are the only cars allowed to breach $65k.

"$65k for a Chevy?!?!"

Yep, a Chevy that blows away cars three times its price.

I mean, would it help some of those idiots if the GTR were badged an Infiniti? If the answer is "yes," then you're just a vain *******.

Did branding the NSX an Acura make it any less of a Honda?! No, of course not, but Honda probably realized the rich ****** that would be shopping the car would prefer it have a name with more perceived cachet.

Yes, $94k is a lot, but is it a lot compared to other ~500hp, high-end sports cars? Nope. There are a couple cheaper than that, and there are several more expensive. Seems perfectly reasonable to me.
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None of these cars are in the same class as the GT-R, the R-33 Skyline GT-R was the first non-supercar to lap the Nordschlieffe in less than 8 minutes. Virtually every form of motorsport the Skyline GT-R entered it dominated. It has a pedigree almost unmatched by any other mass produced vehicle.

It will be a beast, no doubt about it, and no one here is stating that it wouldnt be. However, we go back to the fact that, outside of the Playstation crew, Nissan needs a serious marketing approach to sell the American public on it. 94k in any respect is a lot of money. My point is being missed here. Those Japanese sports cars sold here in the US went buy-buy due to cost and a lack of demand. Granted, that this will be a sought after car by those individuals that really want one. Especially those that are interested in the GT Class type cars, such as Aston, Porsche, Masaratti, and Ferrari. I throw in the Astons and the Masaratti's because I think everyone here knows that you will not be able to walk out of the dealership with one for under
100k or more, if you are lucky enough to get on the waiting list and you actually get one. Also, as someone said about badges and names, yes, when you drop 94k on a car you are buying that car for a number of reasons. One of which is the name. Nissan is more of a household name than say Aston Martin. People that buy Astons buy them because 1) they are Astons 2) because they can 3) the Astons will give them a sense of entitlement. Your not going to envoke that same feeling with a Nissan, sorry.
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The price makes the new LSx Camaro look like a steal. (You can get an Audi R8 for around that)
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the reality of the matter is that everything is getting more expensive
look at the M5's, AMG's etc...Nissan is not as easily associated with high performance or as high end as BMW and MB, but the GT-R badge is well respected amongst enthusiasts, therefore it will invoke the younger rich vs the older rich, which btw are fewer, so not that many will be sold period...**** i would buy one if i could easily afford it!!! but no can do
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Okay, what I'm trying to do is get you guys to think OUTSIDE the box here. And when I say outside hte box I mean outside U.S. borders.

Nissan is EASILY associated with high performance otherwise the imported Skylines by Motorex would not have sold. Go to their website and look at the prices. Do you think some pimply faced kid can afford a $29k 12 year old car or a $80k 5 year old car? No, they sold because of the fact that not only the PS generation knows about them. Why do you think the 350Z is such a great seller? It's offers high performance for a reasonable price. My prediction, and I know I'm not far off, is that this new Skyline GT-R will win all sorts of awards from all teh different magazines and organizations this year and next year. Just like when the NSX came out, the top exotica will be having to play catch up to a "mere" Japanese car.
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Okay, what I'm trying to do is get you guys to think OUTSIDE the box here. And when I say outside hte box I mean outside U.S. borders.

Nissan is EASILY associated with high performance otherwise the imported Skylines by Motorex would not have sold. Go to their website and look at the prices. Do you think some pimply faced kid can afford a $29k 12 year old car or a $80k 5 year old car? No, they sold because of the fact that not only the PS generation knows about them. Why do you think the 350Z is such a great seller? It's offers high performance for a reasonable price. My prediction, and I know I'm not far off, is that this new Skyline GT-R will win all sorts of awards from all teh different magazines and organizations this year and next year. Just like when the NSX came out, the top exotica will be having to play catch up to a "mere" Japanese car.
Thinking OUTSIDE the box doesnt has nothing to do with it. We know what the car means to the people outside the US. We are talking about sales on US soil. It is about Nissan getting it across to Americans what the car means, seeing the value in it, and selling them on it. It will be a tough sale to the majority of the people that can actually afford to buy it. Nissan= Maxima, Altima, Titan and 350Z. All cars that are in the 30k range. It will hard for peeps to swallow a 100k car from the same manufacturer. Time will tell.
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Dodge did it with the Viper

Honda did it with the NSX

VW/Audi it with the R8

Toyota/Lexus will do it

Ford did it with the GT

it was only a matter of time before Nissan released a near 100K Flagship car

I'm sure that quality will be on par with other companies flagship cars.
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for example: Porsche has spent the last 50 years building towards a $100k sportscar. Back in '58 my dad was choosing between a 356 and an AH bugeye. He picked the bugeye because he fit with the top up. The 356 was more expensive, but not by enough to put it out of his budget and in another category.

I do think the hurdle will be throwing a car in the lap of Nissan fans that cost three times anything Nissan sells. The bigger hurdle will be luring away the buyers of other $100k sportscars. Maybe the Nissan "gadget factory" will sway those who only by a Porsche turbo for it's cool factor? Or an M5 for it's exclusivity?
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I do think the hurdle will be throwing a car in the lap of Nissan fans that cost three times anything Nissan sells.
I only think it will be a hurdle for prospective buyers who are "posers," wanting nothing less than a Porsche/Ferrari/Lambo badge for that amount of money.

They are not true fans of performance sports cars, though.
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