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Old 12-09-2009, 04:56 PM   #41
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here's the thing...what's more unAmerican: a conservative who wants to restore good 'ol American values or those who give rights to terrorists?

Seriously, take her religious banter out of her speeches/platform and there's nothing radical about anything she's saying. Plus that statue is French.
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here's the thing...what's more unAmerican: a conservative who wants to restore good 'ol American values or those who give rights to terrorists?

Seriously, take her religious banter out of her speeches/platform and there's nothing radical about anything she's saying. Plus that statue is French.
Good old American Values I don't care for:
locking gays in a box
tax credits for religious zealots
pro-lifeness
war
Enron
Religion (yes, they swing from Jesus' nuts, you can't ignore it)
permitting illegal immigrations

How is that for American values? So now you don't like the Statue of Liberty because the French thought we should possibly avoid getting locked into a decade long war that never really had a goal in the first place?
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Good old American Values I don't care for:
locking gays in a box
tax credits for religious zealots
pro-lifeness
war
Enron
Religion (yes, they swing from Jesus' nuts, you can't ignore it)
permitting illegal immigrations

How is that for American values?




Compromise,
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Ignorance,
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brutality,
the elite

All of which are American dreams...
All of which are American dreams...
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All of which are American dreams...
All of which are American dreams...
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this is the American Dream
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Seriously, what's so wrong with christian values that has everyone so worked up about? I'm not talking extreme-ism, I'm talking the most basic standard of morality people try to hold themselves to...if they need a reason (such as not going to hell) so what?

And what's so wrong about being pro-life really? So people don't like the idea of aborting babies...I'm pro-life, but I don't think I, nor my wife, would choose to do it.

Both the left and right are so entangled within their own lobbyist and special interests it's not even funny. Basically you should disapprove of career politicians.

no one likes war, but like I wrote before, I have no qualms with flexing our might and destroying everyone. Iran wouldn't be a threat to anyone if they simply didn't exist...just takes a push of a button.

Every rational personal should be against permitting illegal immigrations, more steps need to be taken on all levels to lower the amount of illegals current residing and attempt to establish here. I have no issues with people taking the appropriate legal methods for entry. I wonder what would happen if states didn't let you own/register an automobile without a valid SS#.

And really, we could solve the gay issue by establishing war on 'daddy issues' and possibly 'emo music'...wait what!?

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no one likes war, but like I wrote before, I have no qualms with flexing our might and destroying everyone. Iran wouldn't be a threat to anyone if they simply didn't exist...just takes a push of a button.
overzealous religious people destroying lots of nonbelievers translates into many languages. even english.
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Old 12-09-2009, 06:27 PM   #47
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My issue with religious crap is very simple...I don't want it in my life. I don't want a fairy-tale to dictate what I believe, what is taught in schools, how I live my life, or where I send my tax money.
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well I'm very sorry hustler.

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Whereas Christmas is a national holiday celebrated on December 25; and

Whereas the Framers intended that the First Amendment of the Constitution, in prohibiting the establishment of religion, would not prohibit any mention of religion or reference to God in civic dialog: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the House of Representatives--

(1) recognizes the importance of the symbols and traditions of Christmas;

(2) strongly disapproves of attempts to ban references to Christmas; and

(3) expresses support for the use of these symbols and traditions by those who celebrate Christmas.
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My issue with religious crap is very simple...I don't want it in my life. I don't want a fairy-tale to dictate what I believe, what is taught in schools, how I live my life, or where I send my tax money.
Nicely put. I'm 100% on board with that statement.

I like when people get all pissed you don't say Merry Christmas to them.
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I have so much to say, but Im not gong to bother. This thread has some real truth in it and a ton of bullshit. So **** it.
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My issue with religious crap is very simple...I don't want it in my life. I don't want a fairy-tale to dictate what I believe, what is taught in schools, how I live my life, or where I send my tax money.
I couldnt agree more.

The decisions made and opinions formed by americans are founded on bubblegum morality that has been pounded into everybody heads. Right and wrong are definitive terms applied to hings without reason or truth, ye nobody questions them.
Nobody is objective...
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I have no problem with celebrating Christmas people who love Jesus, Krishna, Lengua, Satan (my personal favorite), purple blobs in the sky, his lordship The Flying Spaghetti Monster, or myself. I take serious issue with prayer in schools, creationism, abortion rights, 401c3 abuse, AA programs, and the Republican party who's ridden on this **** for a decade. Look at the Faith Based Initiative (of horse ****).

I challenge you to find non-baptist organizations funded by tax money during the Bush era...I can tell you all about it because I monitored the money for it in 5-states, and we (fed gov) don't fund you if you not a Bushy.

I voted for Obama for one reason, because I was a contract officer from Hurricane Katrina until recently. I'd love to sit here and list off reason why I voted for the antithesis of Bush's "fair contracting" but its professionally unsound. I will say that I'm not thrilled with the way the federal gov is going now which chose to disregard regulation to "get money on the streets." I haven't seen a parallel to the Bush years yet in terms of preference or covert financials, but I have seen a desire to give money to the communities who are the laziest and who cry the loudest, not the parties who follow the rules and play fair. The National Flood Insurance Fund is bankrupt, and now is not the time to play politics, its time to follow the insurance model and stop giving away a few hundred-thousand here and there.

BTW, I have a billboard in Calcasieu Parish stemmed from my my desire to stand behind Executive Orders and Congressionally codified programmatic law.
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I'll give them abortion. civil rights for the 4-cell life form.
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I have no problem with celebrating Christmas people who love Jesus, Krishna, Lengua, Satan (my personal favorite), purple blobs in the sky, his lordship The Flying Spaghetti Monster, or myself. I take serious issue with prayer in schools, creationism, abortion rights, 401c3 abuse, AA programs, and the Republican party who's ridden on this **** for a decade. Look at the Faith Based Initiative (of horse ****).

I challenge you to find non-baptist organizations funded by tax money during the Bush era...I can tell you all about it because I monitored the money for it in 5-states, and we (fed gov) don't fund you if you not a Bushy.

I voted for Obama for one reason, because I was a contract officer from Hurricane Katrina until recently. I'd love to sit here and list off reason why I voted for the antithesis of Bush's "fair contracting" but its professionally unsound. I will say that I'm not thrilled with the way the federal gov is going now which chose to disregard regulation to "get money on the streets." I haven't seen a parallel to the Bush years yet in terms of preference or covert financials, but I have seen a desire to give money to the communities who are the laziest and who cry the loudest, not the parties who follow the rules and play fair. The National Flood Insurance Fund is bankrupt, and now is not the time to play politics, its time to follow the insurance model and stop giving away a few hundred-thousand here and there.

BTW, I have a billboard in Calcasieu Parish stemmed from my my desire to stand behind Executive Orders and Congressionally codified programmatic law.

Wow hustler, I actually agree with a lot of your opinions. Except for locking gays in a box. Doesn't everyone have a gay at home locked in a box for special occasions?
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Seriously, what's so wrong with christian values that has everyone so worked up about? I'm not talking extreme-ism, I'm talking the most basic standard of morality people try to hold themselves to...if they need a reason (such as not going to hell) so what?

no one likes war, but like I wrote before, I have no qualms with flexing our might and destroying everyone. Iran wouldn't be a threat to anyone if they simply didn't exist...just takes a push of a button.

And really, we could solve the gay issue by establishing war on 'daddy issues' and possibly 'emo music'...wait what!?
#1 - Because they insist this is a Christian nation - which it is not. Personal choice should supersede 2000-3000 year old dogma.

#2 Haha. I can't imagine the **** storm this nation would be in if we took iran completely off the map. Plus its neither in our interests nor our abilities to do so.

#3 I hope that was a joke.
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Rabble rabble rabble! There will never be a point where everyone will be pleased with how the government runs things. Which is why I mostly ignore it and live my life how I want. Why should I give a **** what the big man thinks about some of the things I choose to do. I've gotten away with a lot of **** so far in my life and have never had any fist come down upon me. Just because the government says so doesn't make it so. However, I personally think the government should keep their big ******* noses out of everyones business and stop trying to enforce morality and focus on the **** they should be worrying about, the **** they started off with ~ 200 years ago. They have really sprouted a million arms and have their hands in everything today. We the people need to cut those arms off and reduce it back to the form it started out as. That won't really happen though, people are satisfied enough living pointless lives with their gadgets and distractions. Most people are like babies, distracted with shiny objects.
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Which is why I mostly ignore it and live my life how I want. Why should I give a **** what the big man thinks about some of the things I choose to do. ?
Because if you don't give a **** that big man may just pass legislation that limits your freedom to live your life how you want.
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Because if you don't give a **** that big man may just pass legislation that limits your freedom to live your life how you want.
My point was, just because it is on the books doesn't mean its enforced. Either way, the crooked bastards running our country don't give a **** about the people. They are going to do their own thing. All it is these days is a social club for the powerful and wealthy. Flex your muscles and talk some **** and ignore what is going on around you. Trying to talk them out of a bad decision is futile and I just don't care to waste my breath.
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Trying to talk them out of a bad decision is futile and I just don't care to waste my breath.
When your voice is all you've got...USE IT.

I seriously write and call my congressmen at least once a season on something that pisses me off.

Sure they can be like that Louisianna jackass and just ignore it...but most of them are sensitive to the volume of complaints and concerns they get...and some of them are actually trying to get a job done.

If you've already given up the fight...then I blame you more than them for the state of our nation.
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When your voice is all you've got...USE IT.

I seriously write and call my congressmen at least once a season on something that pisses me off.

Sure they can be like that Louisianna jackass and just ignore it...but most of them are sensitive to the volume of complaints and concerns they get...and some of them are actually trying to get a job done.

If you've already given up the fight...then I blame you more than them for the state of our nation.
I and several other people I know have called, and we almost never get anything accomplished. Either they are away or the message never gets to them in some way. I'm actually related to an Alabama senator, not giving any names. It does no good to be related, because that sure as hell doesn't do anything either. Though he and I usually share the same ideas.

It's hardly the peoples fault for their mess. It's not like this has just started and before they actually gave a ****. As long as they can push their party agenda, **** the people and what they think. Of course until election time, then its all put on a good face and parade around and try to win the people over. I just think American politics is complete bullshit. Land of the free my ***. You can be free and have rights as long as they allow you to.
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