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Old 02-14-2010, 01:15 AM   #41
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I can drink some Victory Golden Monkey in any weather.
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I dont mind the pathetic attempt at a jab, but I do mind that you did it so late in the conversation that you look like an idiot.
I was a little late getting that one in there..

Maybe next time.
You're only mad that its true..
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We got about 6-8 inches of snow in Moncks Corner (Charleston, SC) yesterday. Lost power for about 10 hours. I'm from up north but most of the people down here (we had a party last night) said this was the most snow they had ever seen.
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I was a little late getting that one in there..

Maybe next time.
You're only mad that its true..
It's ok, I'll forgive you.


but i still stand by the idea that a couple blizzards in a relatively small region of the US doesn't disprove any long term temperature theory. and when people suggest it does, it only shows their ignorance--regardless of what the truth about the long term temperature theory is.
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the earth wobbles as it goes along its elliptical orbit around the sun. As the position of its wobble changes so does the temperature and climate in different regions of the earth. Thus causing cyclical changes in warm and cold periods in earths history. No mysteries or mumbo jumbo. Or people making money of carbon "units"
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Damn! I thought those awnings looked solid... I'm glad the beater escaped doom. That Dallas snow was a bitch, looks like it still is.
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the earth wobbles as it goes along its elliptical orbit around the sun. As the position of its wobble changes so does the temperature and climate in different regions of the earth. Thus causing cyclical changes in warm and cold periods in earths history. No mysteries or mumbo jumbo. Or people making money of carbon "units"
so what you're saying is that it's wobbling 10 times faster over the last 100 years than it has ever wobbled at any ponit in the last 1000000 years?
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so what you're saying is that it's wobbling 10 times faster over the last 100 years than it has ever wobbled at any ponit in the last 1000000 years?
average temp has not deviated to much. The dinosaurs did not have fox, cnn, or al gore telling them how quickly or slowing things where changing. The last ice age happend really quick.
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so what you're saying is that it's wobbling 10 times faster over the last 100 years than it has ever wobbled at any ponit in the last 1000000 years?
Whoa, you had me before that! Are you saying that the Earth is now hotter than it has been at any point in the last 1,000,000 years?

No need to answer that, I know what your answer will be. On the bright side, 30 years from now (well, depending on who writes the history books) we will all see how foolish this global warming crap is instead of just the 70% of us who see it now.
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No need to answer that, I know what your answer will be. On the bright side, 30 years from now (well, depending on who writes the history books) we will all see how foolish this global warming crap is instead of just the 70% of us who see it now.
In thirty years we will all be dead because:

  1. The killer bees are going to come up from Mexico and sting us all to death. If we don't all die from that then:
  2. Y2K is going to crash all the planes and kill us all. If we survive Y2k then:
  3. Pesticides will cause cancer and kill us all or make us all sterile.
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average temp has not deviated to much. The dinosaurs did not have fox, cnn, or al gore telling them how quickly or slowing things where changing. The last ice age happend really quick.
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Whoa, you had me before that! Are you saying that the Earth is now hotter than it has been at any point in the last 1,000,000 years?

No need to answer that, I know what your answer will be. On the bright side, 30 years from now (well, depending on who writes the history books) we will all see how foolish this global warming crap is instead of just the 70% of us who see it now.
rate of increase of temperature. i've explained this before in other threads with data and charts. all it has really proved is that this forum is seriously one-sided politically.
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rate of increase of temperature. i've explained this before in other threads with data and charts. all it has really proved is that this forum is seriously one-sided politically.
Thats the biggest problem with so called "Global Warming" or "Climate Change." Seems to be HIGHLY motivated by political agendas instead of the well being of mankind...


Back on topic, was the daily ever extracted from its pending death?
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rate of increase of temperature. i've explained this before in other threads with data and charts. all it has really proved is that this forum is seriously one-sided politically.
Oh, but what if the rate of increase was negative for the last 15 years?:

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995

Read more: Climategate U-turn: Astonishment as scientist at centre of global warming email row admits data not well organised | Mail Online


I have not made a single political statement in this thread. If you want one, here it is - There are a **** load of people in the Republican Party who should be ran out of town for supporting a left wing crackpot idea like global warming. When the dust settles and the fraud has been exposed (I think it already has) I hope they are all held accountable (in both parties).

It is very interesting that the debate/lie keeps changing. Global Warming becomes Climate Change. Warming causing high temperatures becomes Change causes snow and low temperatures. Warming causing hurricanes becomes Change is the cause for lack of hurricanes. Eventually people will become tired of this and move on to more practical matters like what is Lindsey Lohan wearing this week.
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Thats the biggest problem with so called "Global Warming" or "Climate Change." Seems to be HIGHLY motivated by political agendas instead of the well being of mankind...
except that nearly every industrialized nation's science academies agree that humanity has likely caused an increase in warming over the last several decades. remember, these are NON-profit organizations. look into who the climate change deniers are and what industry (FOR profit) they're in. remember the tens of millions of dollars Exxon Mobil pumped into the public to increase doubt?

surveys and polls of climate change show somewhere over 90% agree that humanity has had an effect.

surveys of the general public (you and me) show less agreement.

the question you have to ask yourself is this:

when you need to learn about something based in very technical, specialized science, do you ask 10 random people on the street or do you call the experts who have studied the subject and analyzed the data?

do you watch glenn beck

or go to the library
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except that nearly every industrialized nation's science academies agree that humanity has likely caused an increase in warming over the last several decades
Yes, everyone agrees! Well, except these 31,000 scientists:

Home - Global Warming Petition Project
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Oh, but what if the rate of increase was negative for the last 15 years?:

Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995

Read more: Climategate U-turn: Astonishment as scientist at centre of global warming email row admits data not well organised | Mail Online


I have not made a single political statement in this thread. If you want one, here it is - There are a **** load of people in the Republican Party who should be ran out of town for supporting a left wing crackpot idea like global warming. When the dust settles and the fraud has been exposed (I think it already has) I hope they are all held accountable (in both parties).

It is very interesting that the debate/lie keeps changing. Global Warming becomes Climate Change. Warming causing high temperatures becomes Change causes snow and low temperatures. Warming causing hurricanes becomes Change is the cause for lack of hurricanes. Eventually people will become tired of this and move on to more practical matters like what is Lindsey Lohan wearing this week.
the average rate of increase is not negative for the last 15 years. you own stocks, you know they can still go up even if the current value is lower than some arbitrary spike in the past.

1995 (actually 1998 if you read the article you linked--their headline is wrong) was a cherry picked year that was an outlier. if you follow the trend, it is still upward.

incidentally, this is an el nino year like 1998 was and may show some interesting temperature data.

oh hell, here's the graph:


...


and here's the thing about science. as science progresses, statements are changed. imagine if scientific theories were never revised. you'd have leeches sucking on you.

the changes are also the result of the public learning more about what is really going on. the concept is still that the globe's temperature is rising no matter what name you give it.

and just because something is complicated (slight increases in temperature cause localized cold and extreme weather) is no reason to write it off.
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Yes, everyone agrees! Well, except these 31,000 scientists:

Home - Global Warming Petition Project
sorry, where I said "surveys of climage change" I meant to say "surveys of climate scientists".

how many of those 31,000 are actually in the field of climate science? that petition says anyone with at least a BS in a remotely technical field can sign.

even I'm eligible.
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WTF is going on here. You guys are way too smart.
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The rapid increase in online arguments over the past 20 years has lead to an increase of electricity use. This has caused a spike in carbon emissions that has trapped heat, burned a hole in the ozone and made Al Gore a household name in 120 countries.
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So, what happened to daily miata?
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