Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001553)
Does anyone have any ideas on how I can accelerate the process or do I just have that body type that is going to require well over a year to get into perfect shape?
To accelerate that process, you need to be following a more ketogenic diet. This doesn't mean that you go all the way into full-blown ketosis, it just means that you restrict carbs enough that your body begins accessing body fat to be converted into fatty acids and ketones for energy. Eating a diet higher in (healthy) fats and much lower in carbs and sugars helps by forcing your body to turn on the fat->energy metabolic pathway. tl;dr -- Cut grain-based carbs and white potatoes. Cut sugars and artificial sweeteners. Cut unhealthy fats (vegetable oils). Add clean protein. Add healthy fats (lard, butter, avacado, coconut). It's worth mentioning, though, that many if not most people suffer what's commonly called a "carb flu" for a few days (headache, lethargy, "brain fog", etc.) as the body switches over to the new energy source. |
calories in calories out!
I'm going to change my diet to this: 2000 calories of coke and donuts per day plus a daily multivitamin or maybe I should do this: 800 calories of chicken + 800 calories of dark leafy greens + 400 calories of brightly colored starchy tubers I wonder which one will lose me more weight? |
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001553)
I have a serious question about weight loss or more precisely burning fat because the number is not important to me just what the mirror shows. I am 5'11" and have a pretty broad build so my healthy weight with a good amount of muscle is around 170lbs which I was maintaining for a while. Then I got a desk job and over the course of 4 months without making dietary changes I went up to 205 lbs and maintain that now +/- 5lbs.
I started a regular workout routine that I stuck to for 3 months while also changing my diet to a respectable amount of calories with balanced meals. I did all the calculators and read a shit ton on how to eat like making 5 smaller meals instead of 3 bigger ones. My workout was fairly intense and after 3 months I lost exactly 0 pounds. I did lose some fat and gained muscle but not nearly as much as I would have expected for 3 months of strict diet and exercise. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can accelerate the process or do I just have that body type that is going to require well over a year to get into perfect shape? I'll send you a PM with stuff to get you started.
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 1001574)
ketogenic
This x2 Good lord, it's like we are nutrition brothers. |
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 1001574)
What does your diet look like? If you're still supplying it with a fair amount of carbs/sugars (which is highly possible even in a typical "balanced" diet), it's going to use that first for energy and your metabolism will never get very efficient at burning fat.
Breakfast: 1 large glass of milk 2 slices of real whole wheat bread with whole grains a thin layer of natural peanut butter on each slice (just peanuts lightly salted grinded into a peanut paste with nothing else) Snack 1: banana/apple/peach (whichever I feel like taking that day) Lunch: 2 slices of previous bread thin layer of mustard on 1 slice thin layer of real mayo on other slice 2-3 ounces of Boar's head meat usually plain low salt turkey or low salt chicken 2 full length pickle slices 1 piece of boar's head cheese (asiago or picante provolone usually) 2 tablespoons of sauerkraut Snack 2: small cup of low fat yogurt real granola bar Dinner: Large spinach based salad and very little (2 talespoons max) of some various low fat dressing The workout usually looked like this: 20 minutes of intense cardio (sustained 170-180 heart rate) 25 minutes of weight training (rotate area) 5-6 times a week. Just a bit of background. I am currently working 50 hour weeks and taking 3 master's classes. My time is limited so legitimately cooking is hard to do. EDIT: I also consistently drink at a minimum a gallon of water a day. Rarely I will get up to 2 gallons in a day. I also did tend to eat out on Saturday due to socializing and to be honest I would usually eat something not so healthy like wings or a burger but that is one meal in the entire week. |
Too much starch/grains.
Too little fat. You must have fat and protein at every meal/snack. Starch and sugar cause a blood sugar spike which the body then deposits into fat. You need to turn into a fat burning monster: What Does it Mean to Be Fat-Adapted? | Mark's Daily Apple |
Cut the breads, add an egg or two. Really worked for me, and I don't exercise much.
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Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001613)
Breakfast:
1 large glass of milk 2 slices of real whole wheat bread with whole grains a thin layer of natural peanut butter on each slice (just peanuts lightly salted grinded into a peanut paste with nothing else) Snack 1: banana/apple/peach (whichever I feel like taking that day) Lunch: 2 slices of previous bread thin layer of mustard on 1 slice thin layer of real mayo on other slice 2-3 ounces of Boar's head meat usually plain low salt turkey or low salt chicken 2 full length pickle slices 1 piece of boar's head cheese (asiago or picante provolone usually) 2 tablespoons of sauerkraut Snack 2: small cup of low fat yogurt real granola bar Dinner: Large spinach based salad and very little (2 talespoons max) of some various low fat dressing EDIT: I also consistently drink at a minimum a gallon of water a day. Rarely I will get up to 2 gallons in a day. I also did tend to eat out on Saturday due to socializing and to be honest I would usually eat something not so healthy like wings or a burger but that is one meal in the entire week. |
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001613)
This may be the issue but I am not entirely sure. My usual food intake would look like this:
Breakfast: 1 large glass of milk 2 slices of real whole wheat bread with whole grains a thin layer of natural peanut butter on each slice (just peanuts lightly salted grinded into a peanut paste with nothing else)
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001613)
Snack 1: banana/apple/peach (whichever I feel like taking that day)
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001613)
Lunch:
2 slices of previous bread thin layer of mustard on 1 slice thin layer of real mayo on other slice 2-3 ounces of Boar's head meat usually plain low salt turkey or low salt chicken 2 full length pickle slices 1 piece of boar's head cheese (asiago or picante provolone usually) 2 tablespoons of sauerkraut
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001613)
Snack 2:
small cup of low fat yogurt real granola bar
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001613)
Dinner:
Large spinach based salad and very little (2 talespoons max) of some various low fat dressing Your diet is stereotypical of what people are told is "healthy". Fat =/= getting fat.
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001613)
The workout usually looked like this:
20 minutes of intense cardio (sustained 170-180 heart rate) 25 minutes of weight training (rotate area) 5-6 times a week.
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001613)
Just a bit of background. I am currently working 50 hour weeks and taking 3 master's classes. My time is limited so legitimately cooking is hard to do.
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001613)
EDIT: I also consistently drink at a minimum a gallon of water a day. Rarely I will get up to 2 gallons in a day.
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001613)
I also did tend to eat out on Saturday due to socializing and to be honest I would usually eat something not so healthy like wings or a burger but that is one meal in the entire week.
Edit: I am obviously more strict than Mark. But that makes sense as I had a lot of weight to lose. You said you only wanted to lose 30lbs so you don't have to be all Adolf Hitler about it like I am, but it's up to you. You need to cut the carbs, add some fat/protein and change your work out routine. |
Originally Posted by viperormiata
(Post 1001604)
Good lord, it's like we are nutrition brothers.
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1001615)
Too much starch/grains.
Too little fat. You must have fat and protein at every meal/snack. Starch and sugar cause a blood sugar spike which the body then deposits into fat. You need to turn into a fat burning monster: What Does it Mean to Be Fat-Adapted? | Mark's Daily Apple
Originally Posted by rleete
(Post 1001624)
Cut the breads, add an egg or two. Really worked for me, and I don't exercise much.
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Well I will be taking this advice. I knew I was getting too little protein and that the bread probably was not the best idea but it was just convenient when I am in a time crunch. Avoiding low fat food is something I have not really heard so I learned something new with that.
I will change up my workout too and see how that works. I have heard so much back and forth over solid state cardio vs interval training that I can never sort out the facts. I might just try to get back into a set routine like insanity because I know it works and then I am not guessing. Thanks for all the information. I guess I just have to make time to cook. |
It's the right choice. There's tons and tons of good information on the internet for free.
I'm a big fan of Mark Sisson, Chris Kresser, and Robb Wolf. A good place to start reading would be the Primal Blueprint 101. |
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001633)
Well I will be taking this advice. I knew I was getting too little protein and that the bread probably was not the best idea but it was just convenient when I am in a time crunch. Avoiding low fat food is something I have not really heard so I learned something new with that.
I hear you on the time thing. I work from 3pm to 12am, so I decided to start making my meals ahead of time.
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001633)
I have heard so much back and forth over solid state cardio vs interval training that I can never sort out the facts.
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001633)
I might just try to get back into a set routine like insanity because I know it works and then I am not guessing.
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001633)
Thanks for all the information. I guess I just have to make time to cook.
You'll be getting a PM soon with a routine. |
First, Ryan_G (and everyone else doing so), you are to be commended for making (not "finding") the time to incorporate fitness in your schedule. I'm a desk jockey that works long hours so I understand the challenge.
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001633)
I will change up my workout too and see how that works. I have heard so much back and forth over solid state cardio vs interval training that I can never sort out the facts. I might just try to get back into a set routine like insanity because I know it works and then I am not guessing.
Thanks for all the information. I guess I just have to make time to cook.
Originally Posted by viperormiata
(Post 1001644)
I've lost 113lbs using interval training as part of my routine. Fact is, it works ;)[...]
I used insanity to get me started and some what in shape before I started lifting heavy again. Insanity is AWESOME. I still go back and do it in spurts for a week. Not too long ago, it occured to me that, before Insanity and P90-X were ever invented or I had heard the acronym "HIIT," really fit guys were doing high intensity interval training. My personal experience is with Thai boxing training. You go at a high pace (hitting the heavy bag, the pads, an opponent, skipping rope, plyo, etc) for a few minutes, then rest. Then repeat. I will also say that cooking your own food ahead of time is a big help with that "last bit of weight." I'm on board with most of Mark's critique to your diet as well. I'll finish with, "Listen to people who have seen results using the methods they are recommending." |
Sunflower / Pumpkin / Flax / Chia seeds are all awesome sources of protein. Add a handful of sunflower seeds to your salads
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If you want to lose fat, its calories in vs. calories out. Period.
If you want to gain muscle, work out. Period. Combine both and win at life. |
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 1001542)
Thank you for summarizing why CICO is the dumbest approach to weight loss.
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Originally Posted by 2ndGearRubber
(Post 1001810)
Would you rather be fat and healthy, or skinny and not healthy. I'd rather not be gross, even if it took 10 years off my life.
EDIT: I should add, I'm not particularly concerned with adding or subtracting years from my life. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow. But while I'm here, I want to feel good and look good. CICO won't get me there. |
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 1001824)
That's a false dilemma -- you can't really be fat and healthy. Following a healthy diet and exercise plan will make you skinny and healthy (or, muscular and healthy, depending on your goals).
EDIT: I should add, I'm not particularly concerned with adding or subtracting years from my life. I could get hit by a bus tomorrow. But while I'm here, I want to feel good and look good. CICO won't get me there. My recommendation is to either work out, or have a "real" job, which involves physical labor. I work as a mechanic, and when it's not terrible out I take a 2 mile walk after work. I eat what I want, and sprinkle in some fruit to keep my immune system up. I live by the "bus dilemma". If you don't live the life you want, it's not worth living. |
Why are people asking and taking advice from a car forum?
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Im way out of shape at the moment, the stresses of general life over the last 6 months have gotten my self discipline down.
However in the past I was 210lb and 8% body fat, 6'1'. That was big enough, and fit enough for me. I dont know why so many people have arguments about how to be fit. Let me ask a question List 5 things that make you fat and unhealthy. Guess what? The opposite makes you skinny and PROBABLY healthy. Replace fast carbs with slow carbs, eat lots of protein and fat. 30% protein, 40% carbs, 30% fat. 1.5g of protein per LB of healthy strong body weight that you are hoping to achieve. Then go and lift big 4 days a week for an hour and do some cardio like ride to work or to the gym. It just isnt complicated, its all Excuses vs Self Discipline, check my opening statement again, you will understand. If anyone wants to start lifting big and getting fit google stronglifts, I know for a lot of noobies they are intimidated by showing up and not knowing what do do, so start with stronglifts and go from there. Dann |
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