Originally Posted by Chilicharger665
(Post 1001808)
If you want to lose fat, its calories in vs. calories out. Period.
Fructose is even worse, it gets metabolized into fat, and doesn't stop the hunger-feeling process, so you stay hungry and eat more. Fat in your diet keeps your blood sugar at an even keel, so you don't get hungry right away. And if your leptin/insulin system is in good shape, several hours after a meal, your body seamlessly switches to burning stored fat seamlessly without crashing your blood sugar. Bottom line, the form of calories makes a HUGE difference in your metabolism and can push you to a caloric surplus by making you hungry all the time. |
Metabolism is the energy cost of running your body. NOTHING ELSE. People hijack the word "metabolism" so much its ridiculous. Eating crappy food CAN do a lot of things, but if you DONT eat a surplus of it, then its no problem.
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OK smart guy, can you comment on this guy's lecture about how the liver metabolizes fructose, and the effects on the ghrelin/leptin/blood sugar/insulin system?
Let's see you try this for a day: - Take all your normal calories in the form of fruit juice and soda. Let's see if it satisfies your hunger. |
I can comment, yes. If you are eating too much food with all that "bad" stuff in it, then all those terrible things will happen! If you don't eat enough of the "bad" stuff to gain fat weight then you will be just fine.
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Originally Posted by Dot3
(Post 1001843)
Why are people asking and taking advice from a car forum?
There is a correct process and it's been discussed here. LOL @ twinkie diet guy. You know that mofo ended up gaining weight, right? He had to stop it after his insulin/sugar levels went haywire and started to damage his body. His cholesterol levels also increased (increased cholesterol?!?! But he wasn't eating red meat!!! How is that possible?!?!) Also, read his "before diet" chart. The dude was packing in a SHIT ton of sugar/carbs and going to twinkies actually lowered his carb/sugar intake (he was also consuming a protein shake and a can of vegetables regularly, too). By the time his body adjusted he gained it all back because his main food source was all processed shit. |
Originally Posted by Dot3
(Post 1001843)
Why are people asking and taking advice from a car forum?
Assuming everything everyone is posting about themselves is true and not just internet BS like Manti Te'o's girlfriend. :party: |
Originally Posted by Dot3
(Post 1001843)
Why are people asking and taking advice from a car forum?
I find that I have been pointed in the right direction on almost everything that has interested me on here from how to brew beer to how the monetary system in the modern world actually operates. This is by far the best overall forum I have ever visited or heard of period. |
True. This forum is the best I've seen so far.
I like to think I'm pretty fit and know enough. But if you look on other fitness forums everyone is an expert. Even if they have no clue what they are talking about. Same thing with people I talk to. It makes me question everyone who talks about this subject. Not saying I know, but im very hesitant to believe someone. I try my best find the truth. |
Originally Posted by Chilicharger665
(Post 1001866)
Metabolism is the energy cost of running your body. NOTHING ELSE. People hijack the word "metabolism" so much its ridiculous.
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Chilichugger666 makes the most sense in this thread.
Hunger is not metabolism, endocrinology and hepatology has to do with metabolism but is not. Counting calories and having an iron will makes you able to lose weight whatever you do (keeping exp>int). Ghrelin is interesting, but overeaters will overeat, hunger isn't usually the biggest drive there. Brown / beige adipose tissue also has something to do with the "out" as ghrelin has to do with the "in", but the numbers in the equation is what matters. source // MD |
Originally Posted by Sentic
(Post 1002003)
Chilichugger666 makes the most sense in this thread.
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If you have a pill with all the essentials (trace minerals, amino acids) then the body can metabolize everything else and you could live on whipped cream and still be really healthy as long as you count your calories.
You will have an easier time with warm, cooked foods and some vegetables though. Diets are usually more commercial than healthy. |
Originally Posted by Sentic
(Post 1002035)
If you have a pill with all the essentials (trace minerals, amino acids) then the body can metabolize everything else and you could live on whipped cream and still be really healthy as long as you count your calories.
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Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1001613)
Just a bit of background. I am currently working 50 hour weeks and taking 3 master's classes. My time is limited so legitimately cooking is hard to do.
Right now the diet is wake up, put on 1 cup of coffee, add 2 spoons of natural cane sugar and a dash of cream 2 clif builder bars multi-vite, fish oil, glucosamine (because it makes my should not click) arrive almost last to work snack, greek yogurt snack, whatever leftover meat from last night snack, a sandwich bag full of special k chocolately strawberry cereal, dry snack, cheese stick 3 or 4, try to mix it up and get different types of cheese dinner, some sort of meat, lately its been hamburger because its cheap, eat the bun because I'm a whore, I bought all chicken for the next two weeks though. before bedish whey protein shake with strawberries and OJ, a few crackers to keep me from wanting to puke it up (yes I understand i should be using casein before bed) There used to be a salad (50% baby spinach 50% spring mix, none of that crappy sweet lettuce, tomato, and olives, dressing based on olive oil) in that snacks during work, but lately its been making my stomach really pissed off after eating it, so I cut it out. Water, I was averaging 5-6 32oz bottles at work back when my lunch used to consist of 1 sandwich with 1/2pound of deli meat in it. But now I'm closer to 2-3. *Edit, Read the fat adapted diet link. It sounds like I am at least mostly. 6-8 hours without food is not too difficult, I'll be hungry for some of that but no noticeable impact. Not like I was at the end of the phase 1 p90 diet. I could go an entire day without eating if I didnt remember to put food into myself because there was almost no sensation of being hungry, except after a workout. I seriously did a 400 calorie day completely by accident and didn't realize it till the next day. |
LOL @ Sentic and Chilicharger pushing "a calorie is just a calorie" without bothering to understand Dr. Lustig and countless others' arguments.
How hard is it to understand that sugar and starch tend to make you feel hungrier sooner for the same number of calories (than a more fatty meal), and thus tends to make you overeat (i.e. *more calories in*). In contrast if you're fat-adapted and you take fewer % of calories from sugar and starch, you tend to be less hungry (for the same damn caloric input), so it's easier to run a caloric deficit (*fewer calories in*) and stay leaner. Any of those stupid low-fat calorie-counting diets will make you feel miserable and hungry, and tends to lower your basal metabolic rate (*reduces caloric output*), which is counter-productive. That's why those diets fail. Not because of "lack of discipline". I used to by somewhat hypoglycemic - got hungry, shakey, and crabby soon after a meal. After some reading, I reduced sugar and starch intake. No stupid calorie-counting and no tasteless, fat-free starchy meals. 15 lbs just melted off in 3 months, (stayed off), without feeling hungry all the time, or miserable, felt better (energy level at an even keel), and can go further between meals, without the shakes. |
This was what I followed:
The Five Rules of The Leptin Diet | Weight Loss News I modified rule #2 to "4 meals a day on workout day and the day after". I also treated them as *guidelines*, not "rules". The above rules makes you more "fat-adapted" - Mark Sisson's term. |
Originally Posted by Leafy
(Post 1002049)
wake up, put on 1 cup of coffee, add 2 spoons of natural cane sugar and a
2 clif builder bars snack, greek yogurt snack, whatever leftover meat from last night snack, a sandwich bag full of special k chocolately strawberry cereal, dry snack, cheese stick 3 or 4, try to mix it up and get different types of cheese dinner, some sort of meat, before bedish whey protein shake with strawberries and OJ, Drop the juice and eat bread, cereal, grains in general, sparingly. Eat 3 meals a day (4 on workout day and the next day). Minimum 4 hours between meals. Not even milk in your coffee. 11-12 between dinner and breakfast (no snacks after dinner). It takes >3 hours for your body to switch to burning its fat reserves. If you get hungry before 4 hours, eat less starch and more fat. Then concentrate on not-over-eating, so you have an appetite at next meal time, (but not ravenous). |
So I am trying to put together a meal plan in order to actually stick to changing up how I eat and I am a little unsure the best way to go about it. I need something that is simple and I can possible make in batches because the easier it is the more likely I will not stray because I am in a rush. I also do not mind eating the same thing over and over. I will mix it up every now and then but I am a creature of habit for the most part.
I am thinking something like this: Breakfast: 1 large glass of whole milk 2 eggs bacon (2 pieces?) Lunch: Chicken breast steamed veggies Snack: small cup of greek yogurt with honey Dinner: Chicken breast/fish/turkey Steamed veggies small salad with a full fat dressing water throughout the day. I know I can add variety in here but I am not a creative cook and like to buy ingredients in bulk. I will probably just mix it up by seasoning everything differently. Does this sound like a solid plan? Please add anything that I seem to be missing. |
Breakfast: 16oz. coconut milk (because A: it's the bomb, and because B: lactose free), 1 whole pear, 1/2 cup blueberries, 1/4 avocado, and ice to taste, blended.
Optional ingredients to taste: Honey Handful of chia seeds cinnamon pure vanilla extract Snack: ditch the yogurt, grab an apple Lunch: shredded carrots over a bed of arugula topped with shredded manchego cheese and 1/4 avocado, add pumpkin or sunflower seeds for protein, and extra virgin olive oil for fat. Add a bowl of your favorite soup to finish out lunch Dinner: steamed broccoli with XV olive oil, mixed with zested orange, chicken / lamb / beef with vegetables Dessert: dark chocolate, and a glass or two of red wine. |
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