Well at least I won't be alone here not to mention will have someone to discuss Bremsstrahlung radiation with.

Cheers!

Prospero

The Internet: Where Narcissists roam free.

I know for a fact he knows more then you do about this topic. :laugh:

As for the individual that doesn't know jack shit on each thread, I couldn't agree more: it historically tends to be you. :giggle:

To the OP: I would recommend setting a goal. Common goals are shredding (toning, increased muscle definition) or building/bulking (usually lifters who are attempting to build strength/muscle/gain). If you set a goal, you can focus your diet and routine around that goal. Creatine may not be needed if your goal is the average joe goal of "shredding". Yes, I agree it works, I've seen it work. I have also tried it, and found that it is not as effective for my body. <shrug> If your just looking to gain some muscle, and cut down your body fat %, I'd recommend a good protein source. My personal favorite is Optimum Nutrition's products, as they are affordable and effective. If you are looking to bodybuild/bulk/etc, check out bodybuilding.com and look through the various articles there.

Note, I didn't say I knew everything. I just said that you were getting some things wrong so it gets annoying when people like you who assume that personal experience regardless of how long = expertise. FWIW, I don't bodybuild, train, or advise bodybuilders (in fact, I'm terribly out of shape), and honestly, I don't think I've ever picked up a magazine related to the subject in my life. BUT, I did read many of the original studies regarding creatinine and reviewed the statistics so I'm going to have to say that they stretch the interpretation of the results a lot. If anything, it sounds as if you are the person that just read the synopsis vs. the actual studies.

Like I said, you got quite a bit of it correct. Creatinine does work for some people. But it doesn't matter how long you've personally trained, or how well it worked for you, the one thing that doesn't lie is statistics. Certainly, the interpretation of statistics can be twisted (just look at politicians). All I'm saying is that the majorities of studies have too small a sample size and not enough statistical power to draw the conclusions that you seem to hold on to as gospel.

I agree with much of this ( we are on the same page here). That is why I prefer to rely more on practical real world application in conjuction with science. Many times what sounds good on paper does not translate into the real world. For years scientist said steroids didn't increase muscle mass in atheletes. I have a lot of real world experience with supplements, all the way back to the day when boron and inosine were tauted as crap that actually works based on so called studies. When I read a study, especially from a reputable institution, if the methods used are sound (double blind studies and the like) I generally will try the product and make my own determination on whether it is worth spending money on. It is true that creatine does not work for everyone. In many of those cases it's because of a deficiency in another areas of there plan, be it diet or exercise. But for a few, it will not work regardless. ALso of note, I am not an advocate of supplements for most people. To many people tend to want to take a magic potion to get results. There are few if any majic postions. If you goal is general fitness, food will do the trick.

Curious how you could no this when you don't no me. :loser:

I'm bigger and push more weight than all you morons.

Creatine is a waste of time and money in my opinion. Your body makes enough naturally, unless your body builder size like Hustler... I'm a big fan of Cytosport Muscle Milk. It's costly, something like $50 for a tub at GNC. One of the few supplements I've taken that I sometimes drink just because it tastes so good. The chocolate malt flavor is fucking AWESOME! Most everyone I have talked to who has used it reported good things, and I also noticed some gains, though I don't work out nearly enough like I used to. Even with a lighter than ideal workout schedule, I still have seen something like 15-20lbs of what I assume is muscle weight in ~1 year. I don't have anymore of a gut than I used to, so I'll stick with its muscle. I don't know how much of my gains I can put towards supplements (since I have taken several kinds over the years), but when I left high school ~6 years ago I was around 135 at 6', and now I'm hovering around 190 at 6'. 10lbs of which is probably a gut I have acquired thanks to beer and good food.

I can curl 300 pounds using only my penis. :fawk:

Practicing with your girlfriend?

Your right, I don't know you, and for that I am fortunate. I do know BRGRacer, and I assure you he's more informed then you are on matters of sports nutrition.

I suppose I just assumed that you seem to shit on threads regularly. Maybe I am misinformed, but the last thread thread I read of yours was about the lack of importance of a dyno. Similar to this thread you leverage your years of "experience" to banter and make unfounded remarks.

https://www.miataturbo.net/forum/t31891/

Oh, in other words, you're a fucking idiot. In order for you to know he knows more than me about the subject, you would need to know my level of knowledge and experience with the subject. You don't, so you are making assumption based on the fact you don't like my "internet persona" Which makes you a fucking idiot.

oh you kids and your roid rage

On another note, you admit you are misinformed, which rely translates that you don't know shit about this topic. Then you inject shit about a thread that has nothing to do with this topic...and you accuse me of shitting on a thread? You have offered nothing to this thread but idiotic bullshit. You are a :loser:

You try too hard. Let it go. Move on. Leave.

Yours.

Wow, awesome comeback. :facepalm:
I'm not sure I'd brag about taking your mom to bed though.

I don't see the problem.

Some of the responses need to be back with credentials or results. Otherwise, it's just another internet opinion.


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Chris

:laugh: that's true your mom is pretty hot