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The stinger is pretty awesome. But a 40k Kia is hard to swallow if you want awd and all the power. There is a local shop called Tork Motorsports That bought one for a shop car and is working on tuning them as well as parts development.
The WRX does NOT oversteer, it PLOWS first, then oversteers a tiny bit out of the median you ran into. Such a disappointingly handling car. Mine even has aftermarket sways on it, where I had the rear on the stiff setting and front on softest. I was going to find a stock sway to toss on the rear it was that bad. Snow driving was treacherous.
the 4matic in my MB is AMAZING. He just this morning in the snow you have all the confidence in the world, you can control your drift angle with throttle and steering, it catches you getting into a understeer situation and correct it by send the power to any other wheel. it's truly awesome.
I had a LOT of gripes about the WRX (09 hatch) so I sold it for the MB. It was a bit quicker in a straight line (after tuning), but I love all the TQ out of my v6. I spent a LOT of time getting the throttle to not feel like a flaccid dick in my hands with that WRX too.The S60 T5 AWD, I guess, would get tossed in there. Meh. the exterior styling is so forgettable and the interior looks like a cheap economy car with a minimalistic center console that was beyond outdated -- so glad they finally got rid of it.
I don't like that the AWD keeps 95% of the power to the front wheels, and only engages the rears in a slippery situation, unlike the XF which keeps 95% of the power in the rear wheels.
and a 6.6sec 0-60 is SLOW *****.
the new cx60 looks cool though, not that I'm in the market for it.
And I'm really not looking at Audis at all. there's a few I would really like, but, I'm not interested in a car that lives at the shop. Right now, the 550i hits all the points for me -- and there's tuning potential with the BMW where the rest don't really have the options for it. something like an instant extra 100hp with an ecu.
I also have the is350 AWD f-sport on the list, but the interior is a bit meh, and they are really $$$$$$$.
I'm really sad about the trunk of the Q50s, the hybrid engine gives you a 75 bump in hp and acts like a SC -- instant TQ anywhere in the powerband. Gets great MPG for the performance -- the regular V6 felt a bit underwhelming in comparison. I liked the interior and the car felt nice to drive.
the E-series is not really doing it for me for MB. I'd want an E550, but for my price range, that would keep in the body style before the redesign and I think that's a pretty boring design. Honestly, I'd buy my same car again in 4dr. But here's the stupid thing. I have a C350 4matic. So a 3.5L AWD. In the sedan, if you want the 3.5L, you can only get it in the RWD Sport model. If you want 4matic, you can only get it in the 3.0L non-sport model. really annoys me.
I meant the ford focus st oversteers in thr corners if you really push it!
The new 2018 subaru wrx really doesnt jump out at me like the older 11 hatches did.
I have a much more well balanced drive into work now instead of 43 minutes of 73 mph on a very anticlimactic road thru a forest. Now I have a few lights single lane curvy road for like 2 miles highway on and off ramps then boom im at work in 20 min in the morning 30 in afternoon.
A mercedes would be nice but I dont want to spend that kind of money nor do I really WANT luxury. Looking for more fun/performance based car.
Whatismore is that mazda has good looking 4 door cars but they dont seem to have the umppph I'm looking for. Maybe its because I have a turbo miata and handles and some boost is just the way to be!
I meant the ford focus st oversteers in thr corners if you really push it!
The new 2018 subaru wrx really doesnt jump out at me like the older 11 hatches did.
I have a much more well balanced drive into work now instead of 43 minutes of 73 mph on a very anticlimactic road thru a forest. Now I have a few lights single lane curvy road for like 2 miles highway on and off ramps then boom im at work in 20 min in the morning 30 in afternoon.
A mercedes would be nice but I dont want to spend that kind of money nor do I really WANT luxury. Looking for more fun/performance based car.
Whatismore is that mazda has good looking 4 door cars but they dont seem to have the umppph I'm looking for. Maybe its because I have a turbo miata and handles and some boost is just the way to be!
i know that's what you were saying, but i was saying wrx does the opposite and it sucks -- might as well be FWD.
I personally have more fun in my car as I did in my wrx. it handles better and its much more comfortable and gets off the line insanely fast -- much better than the wrx did. and the 0-60 on this thing is like 5.5 it's no slouch. there's really not much I dislike about it, just the transmission is a bit slow to downshift sometimes -- something they fixed in 2013 (i have a 2012). It's a 300hp awd little coupe -- the suspension is actually quite competent, I have the sport model with lower suspension and better rates. The computer helpers make the car fun, not lame. when traction kicks in, it just helps correct, it doesnt feel so intrusive. and the awd system is performance based moving all the power around to keep you planted, not just inclement weather based.
I HATED the boost threshold in the WRX -- it was scary on the highway -- you'd downshift, floor it, and switch lanes and you wouldn't go anywhere. If you were pull in front of an approaching car, you'd get a horn. I never got used to that. Car felt cheap. The clutch pedal bracket falling off the firewall really put a sour taste in my mouth, but the seats were the most comfortable ive ever sat in. The ambient temp sensor work not work if it got wet, 1st and 2nd gear were STUPID loud -- it parking lots it sounded like the car was going to break. My frame rails were retaining water and I could hear it sloshing around. I had to do some major tuning to get the throttle to feel half-way decent -- there was a measurable delay between foot down and car forward. Worse part about it all was how shitty it handled -- especially in the snow. It was a slow in and slow out car. I have tons of fun in the snow with my MB -- I can control a drift beautifully.
I dont autox or anything, so i dont need a little cheap car, and i carpool from HQ to client site a lot and need something decent to impress my colleges :P I'm just getting pretty tired of 2drs, and I feel bad when people sit in the back seats -- pretty much only reason I'm going to sell it.
i feel same way about mazdas, but ive felt that way since early 90s with them, when they stopped making turbo motors.
I think those are all really good points to consider. One of my friends works for ford and tunes throttle response in a couple of their cars. I wish Hyundai tuned my wifes car to respond better. It is the car she wanted but is only a 4 banger. Full SUV with a 4 cylinder. So I can understand the frustration there. As long as Subaru has developed the wrx I wish they had put more into it, but just like Mazda they don't have to add a turbo into a car because looks sell to the majority of the consumer market. It's not focused around peopl like us who are there for the driving experience. If you are you will have to spend a lot more money. I would agree MB has refined their vehicles but once agin you pay for it.
I don't need some cheap civic to go to work everyday and I want to have something I can get on that's practical.
Late to the party, but 135i.... I love my stubby lady
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Great daily driver IMO, I got my 12' CPO in 2013 and just sold it a few months back. Had true snows on it in the winter and was still a blast. Couldn't get over not being able to cram wider than a 245 up front without doing the M front clip though. Didn't cut the "ultimate driving machine" criteria for me.
I was thinking about their regular cars like like the 626 turbo or Mx-6 turbo or 323. At lease there were engine options for each model; Mazdaspeed models are a different story (and they dont even make a msp, msm, ms3 ,or ms6 anymore). They put the same i4 as the m3 in the m6 which no engine options -- their mid/large sedan was making the same power as everyone else's compact/mid.
they spent way too much time continuously dicking around with the renesis.
What turbofan is saying is right I think we are talking more about the present line up and maybe a few years back. So like 2014-2018. This community likes turbos and automakers like money. I really wish the 2018 mazda 6 was what they had been making the last couple years since yhe promise of a turbo could be good for the car. I just hope they do really good and thorough testing to make sure its the next top sports sedan that is affordable.
My arguement is budget. Unlimited funds and we will all drive racecars.
Used ones are popping out here and there at very reasonable prices. The hardest part is finding one with a manual transmission, Recaro seats, and luxury package.
still closer to $50K here. Way out of budget. I'd only be able to 3.6L performance, which is on my list.
sometimes I see them and think they look great, other times I think they look meh. Might be the trim levels I'm seeing as when I looked up the performance trim it always looks good in pictures.
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Great daily driver IMO, I got my 12' CPO in 2013 and just sold it a few months back. Had true snows on it in the winter and was still a blast. Couldn't get over not being able to cram wider than a 245 up front without doing the M front clip though. Didn't cut the "ultimate driving machine" criteria for me.
Sweet, haven't run into many people with 1 series. Car came with blizacks, but I'm not entirely happy with them. What snow tires were you running?
The S60 T5 AWD, I guess, would get tossed in there. Meh. the exterior styling is so forgettable and the interior looks like a cheap economy car with a minimalistic center console that was beyond outdated -- so glad they finally got rid of it.
I don't like that the AWD keeps 95% of the power to the front wheels, and only engages the rears in a slippery situation, unlike the XF which keeps 95% of the power in the rear wheels.
and a 6.6sec 0-60 is SLOW *****.
the new cx60 looks cool though, not that I'm in the market for it.
I just want to point out that you complain about the speed of the slow trim level of the Volvo. I have a 2015 T6, and that is not slow. 4.9 sec to 60. And the styling of the R-design is not quite as boring as the T5. I haven't driven the newer 4cyl cars, but my 6cyl makes 325/354.
I will agree that the center stack is pretty out-dated, but the seats are incredible. The S/V60 is the last car in the lineup still on the old platform, so I expect them to release a new version for 2019. The transmission is not great, but with the polestar tune the AWD system is pretty good. I like it better than my Outback's for sure.
I am also coming from a 2005 Outback XT, so jumping 10 years and a luxury class may mean my standards are probably pretty low. Regardless, I love it, and I was surprised at how quick it is. The polestar tune gives it a good power band.
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