Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 1054818)
Definitely leaning toward the "poor communicator" theory now.
What I actually said earlier in this thread is that I buy my coffee because it's delicious. If avoiding coffee that tastes like hot dirt also helps avoid midichlorians, then so be it. Good for you then. And yet despite the fact that you admit that there is no real evidence of toxic effects from mycotoxin in coffee you chose to believe that my real point in my original post was that environmental toxins don't exist rather than his claims of harmful effects from them are unfounded. |
Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 1054821)
Mark, if the bulletproof coffee guy is correct about butter, it is purely by accident.
If there are any actual studies about the levels of mycotoxins in brewed coffee I would love to see them. Until then, I will continue to assume it is the same snake oil as everything else advertized as "toxin free" like those "toxin removing foot pads." In fact 2 minutes of googling shows me that mold will lower the grade of a coffee anyway. So if you aren't drinking store-brand coffee you probably aren't getting any mold either. Only, he doesn't believe the toxins are harmful. Really. :giggle: p.s. How dare you equate one claim of toxins with another. How is that good science? |
Originally Posted by Harv
(Post 1054824)
And yet despite the fact that you admit that there is no real evidence of toxic effects from mycotoxin in coffee you chose to believe that my real point in my original post was that environmental toxins don't exist rather than his claims of harmful effects from them are unfounded.
So call it 50/50 now. Half reductionist, half poor communicator.
Originally Posted by Harv
(Post 1054729)
The bulletproof coffee thing sounds like complete nonsense. The key nonsense being avoiding "toxins" or "detoxing" which has no basis in science at all.
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 1054831)
Yes. Well, kind of. I didn't expect that you'd really argue against the existence of toxins. What I expected (and I appear to be correct) is that you rather overstated your case in your attempt to discredit Mr. Bulletproof Midichlorian and then had to backtrack and claim that I should have somehow divined from the larger context that what you wrote below isn't really what you meant.
So call it 50/50 now. Half reductionist, half poor communicator. Who exactly is the poor communicator here? :giggle: |
Originally Posted by Harv
(Post 1054826)
Oh no, you've misunderstood, Mark isn't saying that he believes the toxins are harmful, he just drinks toxin free coffee because it tastes better and it's just a bonus if it happens to be toxin free.
Only, he doesn't believe the toxins are harmful. Really. In the meantime, I get to drink really tasty coffee brewed from freshly-roasted high-quality beans from my local roaster, so it's not exactly a bother. |
Originally Posted by Harv
(Post 1054838)
Who exactly is the poor communicator here? :giggle:
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Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 1054762)
grass fed butter.
And I still use Trader Joe's Italian Roast because it's tasty, and I'm too lazy thus far to find something fresher. |
Originally Posted by Harv
(Post 1054729)
The bulletproof coffee thing sounds like complete nonsense. The key nonsense being avoiding "toxins" or "detoxing" which has no basis in science at all.
Will you lay off it already? Nobody here is saying that guy's special coffee is better or has fewer toxins. What I *did* notice is that the coffee+butter+coconut oil combo seems to give me a buzz over and beyond just the caffeine content - I've had to reduce the amount of coffee, and the buzz seems to last me til 3 PM. Let's discuss the bullshit diet/lipid hypothesis. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1054859)
Dammit, I posted a link because it is a tasty healthy RECIPE, not because of its mycotoxin claims.
Will you lay off it already? Nobody here is saying that guy's special coffee is better or has fewer toxins. What I *did* notice is that the coffee+butter+coconut oil combo seems to give me a buzz over and beyond just the caffeine content - I've had to reduce the amount of coffee, and the buzz seems to last me til 3 PM. Let's discuss the bullshit diet/lipid hypothesis. |
The bigger question is, how did the research community get it so wrong for so long?
I think it's because too few understand Karl Popper's teachings. Karl Popper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Many researchers and the vast majority of people do not understand the logical relationship between evidence and theory. Evidence properly used is always falsifying, never confirmatory. "Supporting evidence points in all directions at once, and therefore points usefully in no direction." That is, after one has come up with a hypothesis that has some confirming evidence, one should design experiments that try to falsify the hypothesis. If evidence appears that falsifies the hypothesis, then one should go back and reject or refine the hypothesis. Instead, it is a human tendency to try to "prove" a hypothesis correct. Confirmation bias sets in, and people end up rejecting data that would have falsified the hypothesis. In the case of the diet/lipid hypothesis, this went on for decades. In this interview, Gary Taubes discusses Karl Popper's method, and the confirmation bias, in the history of nutrition research: Taubes on Fat, Sugar and Scientific Discovery | EconTalk | Library of Economics and Liberty |
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 1054689)
This is why you can't leave science to private enterprise.
314: Chris Masterjohn On The Health Benefits Of Cholesterol | The Livin La Vida Low-Carb Show you will understand that a) what would have been a fairly simple error grew legs when the government's resources got behind it ("eat low fat" campaign, and the Dep't of Agri's Food Pyramid with starch/grains at the base) b) gov't research groups and gov't grant money decision makers are NOT unbiased: At this point, can anyone imagine the Dep't of Agriculture withdrawing their POS food pyramid with a statement "We are sorry for giving bad advice for 40 years and all the deaths and heart attacks it caused"? Or the AHA doing the same? |
Blame me for the derailment, Jason. I just thought it was funny.
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I thought it was funny too until Harv kept harping on it after you clarified your position.
Originally Posted by y8s
(Post 1054663)
ok not ignoring trans fats, just avoiding those.
Use butter for sauteeing veggies and frying eggs, and coconut oil, lard, ghee, duck fat or tallow for high temperature frying. Olive oil or black currant seed oil for salads. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1054874)
The bigger question is, how did the research community get it so wrong for so long?
I think it's because too few understand Karl Popper's teachings. Karl Popper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Many researchers and the vast majority of people do not understand the logical relationship between evidence and theory. Evidence properly used is always falsifying, never confirmatory. "Supporting evidence points in all directions at once, and therefore points usefully in no direction." That is, after one has come up with a hypothesis that has some confirming evidence, one should design experiments that try to falsify the hypothesis. If evidence appears that falsifies the hypothesis, then one should go back and reject or refine the hypothesis. Instead, it is a human tendency to try to "prove" a hypothesis correct. Confirmation bias sets in, and people end up rejecting data that would have falsified the hypothesis. In the case of the diet/lipid hypothesis, this went on for decades. In this interview, Gary Taubes discusses Karl Popper's method, and the confirmation bias, in the history of nutrition research: Taubes on Fat, Sugar and Scientific Discovery | EconTalk | Library of Economics and Liberty |
Re: high energy physics
Gary Taubes, one of the guys who has written books on the myth of the diet/lipid hypothesis, has written an earlier book on the same dynamic happening in the high energy physics world:
Nobel Dreams: Power, Deceit, and the Ultimate Experiment: Gary Taubes: 9780394545035: Amazon.com: Books
The book ended up being an exposé. There was one character in particular who was key... just like Ancel Keys was in nutrition. Taubes calls it a "misinformation cascade" leading to a false consensus: Diet and Fat: A Severe Case of Mistaken Consensus |
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 1054882)
Blame me for the derailment, Jason. I just thought it was funny.
Ah well. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1054874)
The bigger question is, how did the research community get it so wrong for so long?
Profit motive. |
TSE and FM are profit motivated too, but they don't lie and cheat.
Police departments aren't "profit motivated" but they sure do lie and cheat. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1054964)
TSE and FM are profit motivated too, but they don't lie and cheat.
Police departments aren't "profit motivated" but they sure do lie and cheat. B) Not everyone motivated by profit is corrupt. That doesn't mean the profit motive doesn't corrupt some. |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 1054964)
Police departments aren't "profit motivated"
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