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emilio700 11-14-2017 12:02 PM

Our Solo DL didn't pick up any of the cool data from the CANbus so Sonny used his phone for physics data, Harry's or Torque. Export to .csv or .xls the load into RaceRender. Camera was a Hero 3 suction cupped to the rear window. Pax seat folded down to clear view.

We had planned a trip to AIM in Lake Elsinore for them to generate a CAN config file so we can get all the data but they got busy with SEMA and PRI. We'll get back to that. GT350 has funtime native data/sensors. Should be fun to make one video with a big column of all this data on one side.

-steering angle
-individual hi-res ride height sensors at each corner
-brake line pressure
-individual wheel speed
- GPS speed
-yaw rate
-pitch
-roll
-3 axis g sensors
-oil temp
-oil pressure
-coolant temp
-cylinder head temp
-trans temp
-diff temp
- RPM
-TPS

z31maniac 11-29-2017 07:32 AM

Quick one, E, is your average HPDE driver going to have all the same issues with a C6Z that you did?

Pads, fluid, shield the clutch slave, good to go? Assuming you have already fixed the valve issue.

emilio700 11-29-2017 09:53 AM

"Average" is ambiguous. Go slow enough and anything survives track use. Assuming it's driven hard to C6Z will have issues. Everything runs hot. I did one track day at Chuckwalla in relatively cool weather where the C6Z was good for four or five laps before the coolant and oil temps got unmanageable. In contrast to the GT350 that doesn't care.

z31maniac 11-29-2017 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1454106)
"Average" is ambiguous. Go slow enough and anything survives track use. Assuming it's driven hard to C6Z will have issues. Everything runs hot. I did one track day at Chuckwalla in relatively cool weather where the C6Z was good for four or five laps before the coolant and oil temps got unmanageable. In contrast to the GT350 that doesn't care.

High 35s/low 36s in a dying 1.6, open diff, no hardtop, 800/500 BGK on 5 year old heat cycled R888s Miata @ Hallett on the old horrible pavement.

As an example of my current pace.

emilio700 11-29-2017 11:02 AM

It sounds like you're asking for my blessing. I have no idea brother.

You will enjoy driving the C6Z. You might overheat it. Big boy pants.

z31maniac 11-29-2017 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1454115)
It sounds like you're asking for my blessing. I have no idea brother.

You will enjoy driving the C6Z. You might overheat it. Big boy pants.

No, more like the input I'm seeing over in the track car thread at TrackHQ. Reviewing it now.

emilio700 11-29-2017 04:15 PM

Nothing to add then, sorry.

z31maniac 11-29-2017 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1454192)
Nothing to add then, sorry.

I think what I probably did a very poor job of trying to get at, is that you and alot you west coast guys are much faster than myself personally. Obviously you'll be much harder on equipment.

So if my 100% was your 70% (for arguments sake) do you think you'd still see all the issues mentioned. That's more what I was trying to get at, but did so poorly .

emilio700 11-29-2017 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1454198)
I think what I probably did a very poor job of trying to get at, is that you and alot you west coast guys are much faster than myself personally. Obviously you'll be much harder on equipment.

So if my 100% was your 70% (for arguments sake) do you think you'd still see all the issues mentioned. That's more what I was trying to get at, but did so poorly .

My point is that I have no idea. It's useless information and not worthy of your consideration. Does a guy that makes cars overheat think I might not make it overheat because I think I don't drive as fast?
Making a project decision on something as ambiguous as that is a mistake IMO.

Perhaps you will try to rephrase the question 4 different ways until you get an answer that helps you rationalize. Also a mistake.

Track cars should have headroom, be future proof. "It's fine unless I try really hard" Makes no sense.

"It's fine no matter how hard I learn or want to drive it" is the correct answer.

Perhaps start a new thread about Corvette's though?

emilio700 12-17-2017 12:06 AM

At WSIR today


wackbards 12-17-2017 12:44 AM

I ended up renting a 2017 mustang 3 times this year pretty much randomly after never driving a mustang before. As a street car, I was struck by how difficult it was to maintain good rear visibility and spatial awareness of the corners of the vehicle. I have zero track experience, but I would think these factors would only be exacerbated on the track. Do you find visibility to be a concern? Have you found effective work-arounds? Driving them actually drove home for me how much the visibility out of a Miata with the top down informs the driving pleasure I get out of a Miata.

Full_Tilt_Boogie 12-17-2017 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by emilio700 (Post 1457267)
At WSIR today

Looks like a a lot of fun

How does the steering feel? I had an '11 GT and the steering was pretty numb feeling. I was never sure if it was the EPAS or the front suspension being full of big, soft, bushings.

turbofan 12-17-2017 11:26 AM

That looks like a riot. What a ride.

emilio700 12-17-2017 11:43 AM

Steering on the GT350 is delightful. EPAS has three assist settings. Overall, EPAS has a different feel than hydro assist. Less friction and hysteresis. More detailed. I like it.

emilio700 03-19-2018 02:54 AM

Chucky
 

Stealth97 03-19-2018 05:54 PM


Originally Posted by wackbards (Post 1457270)
I ended up renting a 2017 mustang 3 times this year pretty much randomly after never driving a mustang before. As a street car, I was struck by how difficult it was to maintain good rear visibility and spatial awareness of the corners of the vehicle. I have zero track experience, but I would think these factors would only be exacerbated on the track. Do you find visibility to be a concern? Have you found effective work-arounds? Driving them actually drove home for me how much the visibility out of a Miata with the top down informs the driving pleasure I get out of a Miata.

I thought I wanted a GT badly, all I had to do to put it out of my head was sit in one.. I had the same issues and knew right away it wasn’t for me. Amazing engine though.

Morello 03-23-2018 03:33 PM

Risky pass on that FD... looks like fun.

emilio700 03-23-2018 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Morello (Post 1473357)
Risky pass on that FD... looks like fun.

Not at all. He pointed me by, I left the Apex open 1.5 car widths just in case while checking my mirrors before turning in, in Speed Venture Red Group. Very low risk.

Erat 03-23-2018 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by wackbards (Post 1457270)
I ended up renting a 2017 mustang 3 times this year pretty much randomly after never driving a mustang before. As a street car, I was struck by how difficult it was to maintain good rear visibility and spatial awareness of the corners of the vehicle. I have zero track experience, but I would think these factors would only be exacerbated on the track. Do you find visibility to be a concern? Have you found effective work-arounds? Driving them actually drove home for me how much the visibility out of a Miata with the top down informs the driving pleasure I get out of a Miata.

Vert or fastback?

I've driven a fastback 50ae GT once. What an awesome car. But you're right. Spacial awareness is not very good.

UrbanSoot 03-23-2018 08:32 PM

I've almost pulled the trigger on GT350 but just couldn't justify $20k dealer markup... I also was shopping for a track package GT a while back but decided against it after taking one on a test drive. Rear visibility and blind spots were on par with a 350Z I've had many years ago. Steering felt like crap and bucket seats weren't as comfortable as I hoped.


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