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Old 09-16-2008, 09:40 PM   #1
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Default The Future is Calling (an illuminating view of history and our future)

For those who like to read ... this is one of the most interesting things I've read in a while:

http://freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling1.pdf
http://freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling2.pdf
http://freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling3.pdf
http://freedom-force.org/pdf/futurecalling4.pdf

It's about how we got here and where do we go from here...
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I downloaded your pdfs. I'll let you know what I think when I get the time to read them.

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I read the first 8 pages so far. Good stuff so far.
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Any cliff notes? Whats this about?
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Any cliff notes? Whats this about?
Politics.

Jason, what's your own summary and conclusion.

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Politics.

Jason, what's your own summary and conclusion.

Chris
I don't think I want to know, if it's anything like his summary and conclusions about Sep 11th 2001.

No offense meant Jason - you and I should stick to talking about cars IOT keep this forum peaceful.
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Old 09-17-2008, 12:58 AM   #7
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Miatamaniac, the series is a concise summary of history and philosophy of governments. Why governments have a natural tendency to become bigger and more totalitarian as time goes on. And the philosophy of people who tend to want to rule by getting into government. That's the first third.

Haha kotomile, I'm sorry that you can't open your mind regarding the physical evidence of the WTC crime.
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Every time you post stuff like this I picture you wearing a tin foil hat surrounded by stacks of old newspapers.
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Haha kotomile, I'm sorry that you can't open your mind regarding the physical evidence of the WTC crime.
I said cars, not armchair structural engineering!
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Every time you post stuff like this I picture you wearing a tin foil hat surrounded by stacks of old newspapers.
You are so full of cliches!
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Haha kotomile, I'm sorry that you can't open your mind regarding the physical evidence of the WTC crime.
You can't be serious.

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First, I am a forensic structural engineer; I do structural failure analysis for a living. Second, not sure how I missed the "911 Challenge" thread from months ago (guess I too thought it was a Porsche thread). While I don't want to go into it here heavily, and don't want to bring that thread back from the dead, if you'd like some clarifications, feel free to PM me. I can't claim to have all the answers, but I do have some technical explanations for most of the points I saw you (Jason) wrongly using as "evidence" and "proof" against conventional collapse theories.

I have dealt with this ae911 group on several occasions, and let me say: they are not a group of respected professionals. I have also done work with several of the official and unofficial investigators, including Dr. Bazant, whose self-labeled "quick analysis" of progressive collapse feasibility has been under attack by the "esteemed" ae911 group and has been described as "an incomprehensible sea of mathematical formulae." Hmm; if we don't understand it, it can't be correct!

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Atlanta,

Pls. PM me the stuff, I'd be interested in reading it.



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I for one, would also be interested in reading it. Please do post.
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When I say I have technical explanations, I'm not talking about them being written down. There are structural concepts that any decent structural investigator should be able to use to explain certain phenomena under dispute. Read the NIST reports. If you don't think the answers are there, then you don't understand structural response well enough to make a judgment as to their validity. End of story.
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The Matarese Circle was a better read. Similar idea - somebody's taking over with our unwitting consent, but with big corporations instead of governments and non-profits.

That's why the 2nd amendment counts - the founding fathers were more afraid of governments than citizens. If nobody has guns, or if the government knows exactly who has what guns and where, then they have the edge. If not, there's always the possibility of a nationwide Red Dawn.
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The difference is, the Matarese Circle is fiction...
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Ok.
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Good read, I got through all 4 plus the video. I wish everyone would at least read part 1 before they vote..

Support your second amendment rights, or else you may lose all your others.
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Good read, I got through all 4 plus the video. I wish everyone would at least read part 1 before they vote..

Support your second amendment rights, or else you may lose all your others.
Heller V District of Columbia appears to have secured that for the moment.

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And on the idea of conspiracy, it brings my mind back to this Maddox comic.

Link to article: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse....i?u=911_morons






Please no one take offense to this comment, its me ranting:

Its my same argument against religion. Its denialism at its max. People have a hard time thinking "this is it". They want to believe in a big man in the sky, they want to believe in a secret society ruling everything. They want to imagine themselves as the saviors of society and the good of man. We're humans, and humans are animals. It's sadly a lot more simple than people want to grasp.

My best friend has been on an alien rant lately, telling me all this evidence for government cover-ups. I really feel the extent of his problem is a lack of ability to accept life. He wants to believe in something so much bigger than himself. In the end, all the exists is you and the relationships you've cultivated (and relationships are a lot bigger than just boyfriend or wife ect, its how you interact in this world). A lot of people are scared by that notion.

Throw in, I've yet to hear a legitimate reason why the 9/11 conspiracy was pulled off without a single leak. Or why aliens come light years to come here and not communicate with anyone.

I'll never convince anyone I guess.

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Old 09-18-2008, 03:46 AM   #20
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nearleven,

what does your post have to do with my original post?
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