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Old 06-04-2011, 10:53 PM   #41
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Seriously? Thats wrong on both counts. The Ford Modular V8 has a HUGE after market because the engine his HUGELY popular. Check out this list of Modular powered vehicles. If you want to see there after market go to your local drag strip or autox course and see whats under the hood of any 96+ V8 Mustang. You'll see a crap load of 2, 3 or 4 valve SOHC or DOHC V8's probably with some after market goodies bolted on.
You can build a LS with zero GM parts. You can't do that with any ford modular engine. Hell there's even a raised cam LS engine now (RHS) and cylinder heads that actually work well.

Besides the trickflow 2V head, does anyone make an aftermarket modular cylinder head?

My definition of popular differs from yours.
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While I love progress, I worry that all this new tech will sour the enthusiast's experience. I like Japanese and American cars because generally, Euro cars, with 56 different computers just to decide how quickly to roll down the windows, are a ******* headache.

I always liked the vette, as it was a hell of a car and to get comparable performance out of a Euro, you were looking at some Audi job with 7 radiators (that's not a joke, check out any recent RS). The corvette was cool because it was a top-tier car, and any idiot to afford to live with it. They always say about Ferraris, "the expensive part isn't buying it, it's owning it." The nice thing about vettes is if you could buy it, you could probably afford it.

So while I love progress, and the thought of a small v8 spinning to 10k does make my nipples hard, I worry, is this next corvette going to have 7 radiators and 56 computers? THAT would kill the vette for me. I could care less about what kind of engine, or mid-engine, etc blah blah blah. Will I be petrified in fear every-time I attempt an oil change? Honestly, I'm sort of hoping GM can bring high-end exotica to the masses. THAT would make this new vette a winner. Small displacement, high rpm power that isn't a total bitch to deal with.
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take your turbo DOHC vette money and make your big cube LS spin to 10k.
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Seriously? Thats wrong on both counts.
lol @ correcting the Jesel engineer.
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I'd rather see a better electric motor design more than anything, but I think a smaller displacement engine is the way to go. Everyone is strapping turbos to their engines now and it's fine since you're usually in the power band when you're "supposed" to use it (ie passing) and if you're racing, you should know how to keep it there, especially if you have 10,000RPM to play with.

I will certainly say, although I don't really care for most Ferarris, they make sweet music. It's like a symphony vs. Metallica; to each their own.
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lol @ correcting the Jesel engineer.
You think I'm wrong? 4.6 mustangs are damn popular and they have a good after market. Unless he's talking about the 3.9L modular engine. (Out of the Lincoln LS V8, {somebody should do that swap btw})
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I'd rather see a better electric motor design more than anything
motors aren't the problem. it's finding a way to extract lots of amps very quickly from batteries without them costing a lot or blowing up. and waiting for them to recharge.

fuel cells?
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You think I'm wrong? 4.6 mustangs are damn popular and they have a good after market. Unless he's talking about the 3.9L modular engine. (Out of the Lincoln LS V8, {somebody should do that swap btw})
Do you really want to argue the potential of a 4.6 vs. an LS1?
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Do you really want to argue the potential of a 4.6 vs. an LS1?
No, I was just arguing that the modular is a popular engine with a good after market. If your talking about the 3.9 Lincoln LS in a miata, I was just saying it would be a cool novel swap.
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No, I was just arguing that the modular is a popular engine with a good after market.
Sure, if you consider x-pipes and K&Ns good aftermarket.

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If your talking about the 3.9 Lincoln LS in a miata, I was just saying it would be a cool novel swap.
Sure, swapping in xyz underperforming engine into your car would be a cool, novel swap but at what cost?
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Sure, swapping in xyz underperforming engine into your car would be a cool, novel swap but at what cost?
The LS V8 Made 280 hp and 286 lb·ft, the more commonly swapped in 5.0 made 240 hp @ 5000 RPM & 285 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM in the 95' Mustang. But yes, I'd be a pain to swap in the 3.9 compared to the 5.0.
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The LS V8 Made 280 hp and 286 lb·ft, the more commonly swapped in 5.0 made 240 hp @ 5000 RPM & 285 lb-ft @ 4000 RPM in the 95' Mustang. But yes, I'd be a pain to swap in the 3.9 compared to the 5.0.
Mod motors are FAR superior to that 50s-era tech, bro, seriously
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Mod motors are FAR superior to that 50s-era tech, bro, seriously
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It sounds like it's going to eat your family at idle.

Jesus ******* Christ that sounds ferocious...
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This is sort of a Miata forum right? Can we get back to talking about breeze hood scoops now?
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motors aren't the problem. it's finding a way to extract lots of amps very quickly from batteries without them costing a lot or blowing up. and waiting for them to recharge.

fuel cells?
That, too, but the motors aren't the best, either. My idea for battery packs would be to make it a standard module that can be replaced by a machine at a station. I'm thinking bottom loaded, so you would drive over the thing, it'd pull out the one you have in there and put in a charged one. For larger vehicles, it could be able to put 2 or more packs in. Then when a better battery tech comes out, it would just fit the right form factor and get replaced at the station. There would have to be a monthly cost associated with it and a minimal cost when you "fill up" so the gov't can tax it for road maintenance. Hassle free for the consumer, creates more jobs, and storage of batteries would be underground where it's cool and better/faster charging can occur.

Fuel cells are just too dangerous, I guess. They also can't seem to make hydrogen efficiently enough for it to be a viable option. I don't know how viable having hundreds of battery packs at a station would be, either, though.
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you can charge your toothbrush and iphone on an inductive pad. some day I suspect there will be pads in your parking spaces and garages so you do nothing but park to charge.

then some smart guy will embed them in the road (stop lights?) and it will be infrastructure.

oh and also, mt public enemy #1 (aka the prez) shot down funding for the fuel cell in 2009.
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Old 06-05-2011, 11:19 AM   #59
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So will this have more than 2 valves per cylinder or is that too big of a transition?
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Wireless charging mats are insanely inefficient. They're fantastic for little devices because you don't mind the dollar/month of extra electricity costs. Consider multiplying the electricity cost of an electric vehicle by a factor of 5 - would you still do it?

The arguments for the pushrod/against the DOHC Turbo have been relatively invalid as far as I'm concerned. You will always find that an engine design that has been perfected over decades is going to have substantially more aftermarket support and a better track record than something that is brand new out of the box. The turbo DOHC 3.0L engine may be less powerful right now than a N/A Pushrod 5.7L Engine - but if both of them were designed at exactly the same time, you would find that the 3L Turbo is most likely a "superior starting platform". Consider this: in 30 years when the 3L turbo is still in production for the corvette C12, how will the 30 year old 3.0T compare to today's 30 Year old 5.7?
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