Handgun Recomendation....
03-23-2010, 01:41 AM
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The first rule of guns is to have one.
The second rule of guns is to have it always work.
The budget you gave plus the first rule of guns has revolver written all over it.
The intended use as a hiking/camping/falling in a creek/getting it full of dust and sand/protection from 300-400lb bears plus the second rule of guns has revolver written all over it.
A few well placed rounds of .357 with a hot load will be substantial enough to defend yourself against medium bears, elks in rut, and big cats. It will fire and cycle when dirty. It will fire and cycle when full of pocket lint. It will even fire when you are surprised by a ferocious animal and forget to switch off the safety (because there isn't one). It is no coincidence that hunting handguns are revolvers.
If you don't trust yourself to keep it oiled after exposure to moisture, buy it in stainless. I would buy the six inch barrel if you intend on carrying it open on a belt holster and the four inch barrel if you intend to conceal it under your clothing. Buy them with the compensator ported barrel if your budget allows.
I have a medium frame Taurus and a small frame Taurus and have had them for over a decade. They have proven to be reliable, well crafted, accurate, and cost effective.
The ability to have the massive power of the .357 Magnum and to be able to practice with economical .38 Special rounds is a tremendous benefit that has no parallel in the .45 Auto weapons.
I recommend one of the following:
Taurus International Manufacturing Inc
Taurus International Manufacturing Inc
EDIT: I lived in Colo Sprgs for a couple of years and hiked and camped in those mountains. I climbed Pike's Peak from Manitou Springs and back over the course of three days. Enjoy the summer when it finally comes!
BTW-The Ruger GP-100 is a also a very nice revolver, as b0ne pointed out, but a bit more money.
The second rule of guns is to have it always work.
The budget you gave plus the first rule of guns has revolver written all over it.
The intended use as a hiking/camping/falling in a creek/getting it full of dust and sand/protection from 300-400lb bears plus the second rule of guns has revolver written all over it.
A few well placed rounds of .357 with a hot load will be substantial enough to defend yourself against medium bears, elks in rut, and big cats. It will fire and cycle when dirty. It will fire and cycle when full of pocket lint. It will even fire when you are surprised by a ferocious animal and forget to switch off the safety (because there isn't one). It is no coincidence that hunting handguns are revolvers.
If you don't trust yourself to keep it oiled after exposure to moisture, buy it in stainless. I would buy the six inch barrel if you intend on carrying it open on a belt holster and the four inch barrel if you intend to conceal it under your clothing. Buy them with the compensator ported barrel if your budget allows.
I have a medium frame Taurus and a small frame Taurus and have had them for over a decade. They have proven to be reliable, well crafted, accurate, and cost effective.
The ability to have the massive power of the .357 Magnum and to be able to practice with economical .38 Special rounds is a tremendous benefit that has no parallel in the .45 Auto weapons.
I recommend one of the following:
Taurus International Manufacturing Inc
Taurus International Manufacturing Inc
EDIT: I lived in Colo Sprgs for a couple of years and hiked and camped in those mountains. I climbed Pike's Peak from Manitou Springs and back over the course of three days. Enjoy the summer when it finally comes!
BTW-The Ruger GP-100 is a also a very nice revolver, as b0ne pointed out, but a bit more money.
Totally, I am thinking the exact same thing, in fact that first pic is a gun I have been looking at.
I dont mind a 6" barrel, from what I can see a gun with some mass has less perceived recoil anyway and the barrel will probably help muzzle velocity.
Barr Trail is awesome. I managed to go from Manitou to the peak and back in one day last Sept. 26 miles. I was pretty seriously fucked up the next day due to not really being in shape.
People leave too much trash up there. Apple cores and all. Not that I am much better. I have a few peanutbutter sandwiches with me and thats a giant odourous kill me sign for the wildlife LOL.
I am even thinking of the full frame 8 shot .357. Good to know Taurus is a good brand, I have seen thier stuuf in shops and wondered.
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03-23-2010, 03:27 AM
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imo, i would buy either: (some may not be pistols but may be legal)
1. Colt M1911 .45 acp
2. S&W M500
2. Taurus Judge .401 bore
3. Beretta 92fs
4. lastly, the S&W M500
im not much of a pistol fan, i like sniper rifles a lot more. id love to have a chance to shoot a dragunov svd or remington 700
1. Colt M1911 .45 acp
2. S&W M500
2. Taurus Judge .401 bore
3. Beretta 92fs
4. lastly, the S&W M500
im not much of a pistol fan, i like sniper rifles a lot more. id love to have a chance to shoot a dragunov svd or remington 700
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03-23-2010, 07:51 AM
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03-23-2010, 10:27 AM
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[QUOTE=Sparetire;543029]
People leave too much trash up there. Apple cores and all.QUOTE]
I don't think throwing apple cores bananas on the ground is really trash. Items as such are biodgradable; and will be eaten by ants insects and such within a day or so. I personally don't think throwing fruit or other such items is concidered littering.
People leave too much trash up there. Apple cores and all.QUOTE]
I don't think throwing apple cores bananas on the ground is really trash. Items as such are biodgradable; and will be eaten by ants insects and such within a day or so. I personally don't think throwing fruit or other such items is concidered littering.
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03-23-2010, 12:08 PM
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yea its a nice gun, its supposed to be the best for close range defense because the spread is so wide. the original is a bit on the heavy side and not pratical for a carry weapon. they have a lite edition that is shorter nose and ALOT lighter, only shoots the 2.5 inch 4.10 rounds. his can shoot the 3. i like the gun, 4.10 does some serious damage. and you can get slugs, bird shot long .45 and alternate them in the gun. kicks hard.
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03-23-2010, 12:12 PM
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[QUOTE=rmcelwee;543080]I've shot one a few times and I was not impressed. It definitely did not do this:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmyWoZ22lZY&feature=fvw
i think you crazy, i dont know what you where shooting or which rounds. that gun can def do that and has when i shot **** with it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmyWoZ22lZY&feature=fvw
i think you crazy, i dont know what you where shooting or which rounds. that gun can def do that and has when i shot **** with it.
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03-23-2010, 01:10 PM
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The 26 miles doesn't sound bad until you add the 7700 foot elevation difference from Manitou Springs to the top of Pikes Peak. We carried frame packs with tents, sleeping bags, and cooking gear when we did it. You have to work your stamina up to do it at all. That air sure is thin above treeline.
No major weight on that one, maybe 30Lbs of clothing, food and emergency gear only.
There is a great chairity event for brain injury awareness/prevention/help every Sept. that has people get sponsors and then climb up to the top, then they shuttle them back down. Now that sounds great. My knees were toast from coming back down.
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03-23-2010, 01:15 PM
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I dont mind a bit of weight, since it really wont be a carry weapon. It will pretty much live in my pack (i have a very quick access side pocket thats perfect for it, it houses my bear mace right now) or at the range.
Honestly I think I am going to be focusing on a revolver, either a .357 or that Judge. What really intrigues me about that weapon is an idea I had for my mom awhile back.
She had to park in a empty garage at night for her work, and it was not the safest place to be at 2 AM. She will not use a fire arm on someone. I always liked those bean-bag rounds you see police use. Strong enough to drop someone, not going to kill them though. I always wondered about a small weapon firing those. The judge is a bit big, but it proves the concept pretty well. I wonder if they make a .410 beanbag round.
Honestly I think I am going to be focusing on a revolver, either a .357 or that Judge. What really intrigues me about that weapon is an idea I had for my mom awhile back.
She had to park in a empty garage at night for her work, and it was not the safest place to be at 2 AM. She will not use a fire arm on someone. I always liked those bean-bag rounds you see police use. Strong enough to drop someone, not going to kill them though. I always wondered about a small weapon firing those. The judge is a bit big, but it proves the concept pretty well. I wonder if they make a .410 beanbag round.
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03-23-2010, 02:16 PM
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Me and some of the other car buddies here in Corpus are more shotgun/rifle guys. Mainly because we are cheap and you can get a 550 brick of .22 for $13 or a 100 box of 12ga for $23. I saw a guy at the range the other day shooting what looked like a 1911 stle gun with .22 casing spitting out, he then changed the barrel and started shooting .45. I'd want a handgun like that so I could shoot cheap and get comfortable with it. Just an FYI though, for home defense...shotgun.
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03-23-2010, 02:40 PM
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Me and some of the other car buddies here in Corpus are more shotgun/rifle guys. Mainly because we are cheap and you can get a 550 brick of .22 for $13 or a 100 box of 12ga for $23. I saw a guy at the range the other day shooting what looked like a 1911 stle gun with .22 casing spitting out, he then changed the barrel and started shooting .45. I'd want a handgun like that so I could shoot cheap and get comfortable with it. Just an FYI though, for home defense...shotgun.
They're usually around $200-$250 ballpark.
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03-23-2010, 06:27 PM
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I'm glad you guys respect the ole cylinder guns, if were talking possible bear encounters than .357 mag power & reliability should be the starting point. But I'd still opt for a .44 magnum six shooter if I knew there's anything 3x (or greater) my size that eats flesh around...
Here's another sub-$600 wilderness weapon, the Taurus 444 UltraLite.
.44 Magnum, 28 ounces (titanium, alloys) 6-round cylinder, 4" nonported barrel, unlimited lifetime repair policy. Badass.
https://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G2444041ULT
I checked out autos a bit more and one that people love/envy/hate for recoil but packs serious CCW firepower is the Glock 29.
Can find them new for as low as $500, 10mm punch, 15+1 capacity (Preban/non-CA mags, 30-rounders can be found...) tiny & light as a .32 subcompact. Like many of the cars here, small but beastly.
If recoil's too high & 16 rounds are too few... (30 hot/A.P. 10mm's would stop a grizzly. G18 for reference, couldn't find G29 in this config.)
Glock Model 29 Subcompact Pistol PI2950201, 10 MM, 3.78" BBL, Dbl Actn Only, Polymer Grips, Fixed Si
Here's another sub-$600 wilderness weapon, the Taurus 444 UltraLite.
.44 Magnum, 28 ounces (titanium, alloys) 6-round cylinder, 4" nonported barrel, unlimited lifetime repair policy. Badass.
https://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G2444041ULT
I checked out autos a bit more and one that people love/envy/hate for recoil but packs serious CCW firepower is the Glock 29.
Can find them new for as low as $500, 10mm punch, 15+1 capacity (Preban/non-CA mags, 30-rounders can be found...) tiny & light as a .32 subcompact. Like many of the cars here, small but beastly.
If recoil's too high & 16 rounds are too few... (30 hot/A.P. 10mm's would stop a grizzly. G18 for reference, couldn't find G29 in this config.)
Glock Model 29 Subcompact Pistol PI2950201, 10 MM, 3.78" BBL, Dbl Actn Only, Polymer Grips, Fixed Si
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03-23-2010, 10:05 PM
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I used to have M700 PSS, the police sniper version. That thing was amazing. Out of the box with match ammo I could shoot 1/4 MOA groupings. Once the barrel got broken in I could usually squeeze out 1/8 MOA. Not too shabby for a stock rifle. I should never have gotten rid of it. But paying close to $50 for 20 rounds gets old pretty quick.
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