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Old 01-03-2011, 12:22 PM   #41
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It's funny, I always keep track of my rpm when I'm driving, whether it's turbo, SC, rotary or whatever. Of course I look at all my gauges.
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Anyone that doesn't like a sudden rush of torque and get pushed back in the seat violently to the sound of sweet sweet turbo spool is just......




.....just......





.....trying to think of the right expression.....






.....NOT HUMAN
Every time I go over 4500rpm on my car it makes me giggle like a school girl

(that said, I still wouldn't mind a sc miata for a daily, and keep my current as a toy)
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:32 PM   #43
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What about the argument about having so much "down low" torque that it would technically be harder to drive and be more likely to get unwanted wheel spin and lose control of the car?

I have that problem.
The cure is not flooring the go pedal every time.
All dyno data is obtained @ WOT, right?

I mean, do you guys slam on your brakes every single time?
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So then its not really power down low that makes you like the sc over a turbo, but the throttle response
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Both, actually.
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:45 PM   #46
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So then its not really power down low that makes you like the sc over a turbo, but the throttle response
Which is usually the comment stating how bad "turbo lag" is because stupid ******* don't know what boost threshold is and think that all turbo cars have threshold like a Porsche 944 turbo. I do understand that there are so many variable to this though...engine management, tuning, turbo sizing, how shitty or how well the overall setup is etc... But comparing my 2560R to a M45 or even a 62...I'll make the same boost just as fast above 3,500 rpms....where it counts. Then comes the argument about having to shift down vs having torque...because that .5 second it takes to shift a gear is such a PITA...and God forbid you anticipate having to select the proper gear to increase vehicle speed in any given situation. I guess what I am saying is that after owning both setups for YEARS (even one M45 setup with the TB post-s/c which makes throttle response crazy ******* fast)...most of the arguments are ******* V O I D and aren't worth **** on the street (where 98% of this debate takes place). It really comes down to how much power you want to make and how you want it to sound.


But posting such bullshit "information" is the point of this thread.


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Both, actually.
There are not part throttle dyno's showing a sc makes more part throttle power than a turbo.
If turbo makes more power and torque at full throttle then its in every way able/capable of making more power at part throttle too.
In fact, I'm almost positive that it DOES make more power at part throttle because its not AS directly dependant on engine rpm as a sc.

Have you driven a small turbo car? Go drive a chipped vw 1.8t, or a 2554 1.8 miata: there is TONS of torque down low. Only thing both lack (that I can possibly think of) over a sc car is the throttle response. There is usually a tiny delay before onset on a turbo car whereas a sc car is very similar to an n/a car of more displacement (we're talking non centrifugal sc's here of course)
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If we ever had a chance to switch cars for a couple hours, I am sure we would both enjoy the hell out of each other's setups.
Having said that, I prefer the SC over turbo.
Not because it is inferior, but it is a different strokes kinda thing.

On the other hand, I live in Turkey. All people know here is turbo. There have been countless times when someone poked their head under the hood and asked me what kind of turbo I had.
I kinda like being the only one with a SC setup. Especially when I am passing those expensive *** cars, worth damn near ten times the 20 grand I paid for mine.
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:58 PM   #49
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Let's just have fun picking apart the retarded information like...the reason a turbo needs an intercooler is because the exhaust heat that is transferred to the intake/compressor...and not because compressed air produces heat regardless of how it's compressed....
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If we ever had a chance to switch cars for a couple hours, I am sure we would both enjoy the hell out of each other's setups.
Having said that, I prefer the SC over turbo.
Not because it is inferior, but it is a different strokes kinda thing.
That's fine man. No one is going to harrass you for having a different preferance.

I think the biggest reason for why these slap fights start between the turbo and sc guys is because sc guys start bringing up bullshit "weaknesses" or "disadvantages" to turbocharger setups that simply do not exist or are blown out of proportion/exhaggerated.


If its simply a preferance then great, more power to ya. Just don't state incorrect info to justify your decision.
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Oh...and let's not forget that turbos can't have "sane" power output that doesn't require major modification of all other engine components...
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There are not part throttle dyno's showing a sc makes more part throttle power than a turbo.
If turbo makes more power and torque at full throttle then its in every way able/capable of making more power at part throttle too.
In fact, I'm almost positive that it DOES make more power at part throttle because its not AS directly dependant on engine rpm as a sc.

Have you driven a small turbo car? Go drive a chipped vw 1.8t, or a 2554 1.8 miata: there is TONS of torque down low. Only thing both lack (that I can possibly think of) over a sc car is the throttle response. There is usually a tiny delay before onset on a turbo car whereas a sc car is very similar to an n/a car of more displacement (we're talking non centrifugal sc's here of course)
I know full well turbo is a more efficient solution.
My blower uses something like 38hp from the crank to generate maximum power.

The thing is, I also happen to know the price tag associated with various setups.
If you guys knew the sort of bargain I had on my entire setup, I am sure you would stop dead in your tracks.
I paid $ 2500 for the entire SC assembly, a Trackdog IC, oversize fuel rail, and all the necessary engine management to go with that. 200 whp for 2500 bucks.
Then I built upon that system over time. Now I have 201 whp! (kidding)

I was just lucky. The week I decided to go SC, I came across that deal.

Turbo is more civilized. SC can be brutal.

Anyway, none of what I have said so far should be construed as some sort of a defense of that guy with the overly bloated turbo vs SC explanation in the first couple of posts.
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Hell, part..if not all of the reason my 96 was s/c was because I picked up the unit, a oversized crank, 60mm s/c pulley, FMIC (and had piping fabricated), rx-7 injectors, a SAFC and had it all installed and tuned for like $1200...and I was happy with that for awhile.


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That's fine man. No one is going to harrass you for having a different preferance.

I think the biggest reason for why these slap fights start between the turbo and sc guys is because sc guys start bringing up bullshit "weaknesses" or "disadvantages" to turbocharger setups that simply do not exist or are blown out of proportion/exhaggerated.


If its simply a preferance then great, more power to ya. Just don't state incorrect info to justify your decision.
Thank you.
This is the main reason why I spend most of my free time over here - at a turbo forum - than someplace like mnet.

Much better info and creative ideas here.

I also try to contribute as much as I can. I am sure my threads/posts speak for themselves.
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(I know DerpKing has seen this thread too. *****)
Good luck.
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Dude ALWAYS has a reply to everything.... now I wait.
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This is so perfect. He got banned over there, and shamed out of posting over here. It's a belated Christmas miracle!

He just makes forums hate him.
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This is so perfect. He got banned over there, and shamed out of posting over here. It's a belated Christmas miracle!

He just makes forums hate him.
For what it's worth, he got trolled over on CRn. Start reading here and read to here.

Here's the Cliff's Notes version:

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For what it's worth, he got trolled over on CRn. Start reading here and read to here.

Here's the Cliff's Notes version:
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Old 01-04-2011, 12:26 AM   #60
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Shoudla known that car looked familiar...

I mostly posted that for the benefit of those folks here who don't post on CRn.
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