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Old 04-21-2008, 09:05 PM   #21
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We're trying to help you.

FILE A PAYPAL DISPUTE.

From what you've written, he sold you bogus crap. You win, he loses. That simple.

If you take a defeatist attitude you cannot win.
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Old 04-21-2008, 09:10 PM   #22
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Im sorry :(. Im just a little... pissed or aggrivated I guess.

But yea, I just did. Thanks for the tip.


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Paypal response. I chose these dispute options

# Different design or material
# Different model, version, or size
For example:

* Incompatible operating system
* Motorcycle engine v. automobile engine
* Shoes too small to wear


This is what I got instantly.

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Dear Samson L,

You have chosen to escalate your dispute to a PayPal claim. By ending
communication with the seller, you are asking PayPal to investigate the
case and decide the outcome. As part of our investigation, PayPal reviewed
any communication you may have had in the Resolution Center.

Our investigation into your claim is complete. As stated in our User
Agreement, the claims process only applies to the shipment of goods. It
does not apply to complaints about the attributes or quality of goods
received. Therefore, we are unable to reverse this transaction or issue a
refund.
== paypal doesnt solve ****.

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Old 04-21-2008, 10:14 PM   #23
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So when you come right down to it, what is the pipe, actually?

Is it a downpipe that will bolt up to a specific turbo(like a garrett 2554), mounted on a begi manifold and terminate at the angle and position of a 1.6 stock cat; or what?

If so, there might be people here that need it. and you can flip it without any loss.
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Old 04-21-2008, 10:16 PM   #24
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Ive gotten my money back twice on paypal claims. Both times was almost scarily, too easy.
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Old 04-21-2008, 10:46 PM   #25
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sorry havent been on since ive sold all of my parts, just now saw this.

I did indeed buy the pipe from Ben, exactly as he stated. I also stated to sam BEFORE shipping the pipe and before taking his money, that I purchased it from ben, i showed him the original for sale thread where i purchased the pipe, i also told him that i have not had a chance to test fit the pipe (as i was selling all my parts) and that I could not confirm that it fit a 1.8L. i only had the information from Ben.

with that in mind he did decide to purchase it. Yes i did list it as a 1.8 DP because thats what i was told. Yes i would have refunded him money had i not told him all that information before hand, although he denies i mentioned any of that.

I was up front with him as i was with everyone else who purchased parts from me, and i sent him 45 dollars and said i would help find a buyer yet he still continues.

He remains upset and calls me the scumbag. Thats fine, I did what i thought was right and I even sent back money for shipping when he does sell it. Getting all upset over this doesnt make any sense. I wouldnt have yelled at Ben, hes not a store/business this is some random guy i dont know on an internet forum and its BUYER BEWARE. should i send Ben 50 PM's and have him send me 45 bucks now?

As for the paypal claim I dont even know what happened i got an email saying it was open then another one saying it was closed?

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sorry havent been on since ive sold all of my parts, just now saw this.

I did indeed buy the pipe from Ben, exactly as he stated. I also stated to sam BEFORE shipping the pipe and before taking his money, that I purchased it from ben, i showed him the original for sale thread where i purchased the pipe, i also told him that i have not had a chance to test fit the pipe (as i was selling all my parts) and that I could not confirm that it fit a 1.8L. i only had the information from Ben.

with that in mind he did decide to purchase it. Yes i did list it as a 1.8 DP because thats what i was told. Yes i would have refunded him money had i not told him all that information before hand, although he denies i mentioned any of that.

I was up front with him as i was with everyone else who purchased parts from me, and i sent him 45 dollars and said i would help find a buyer yet he still continues.

He remains upset and calls me the scumbag. Thats fine, I did what i thought was right and I even sent back money for shipping when he does sell it. Getting all upset over this doesnt make any sense. I wouldnt have yelled at Ben, hes not a store/business this is some random guy i dont know on an internet forum and its BUYER BEWARE. should i send Ben 50 PM's and have him send me 45 bucks now?

As for the paypal claim I dont even know what happened i got an email saying it was open then another one saying it was closed?

So how do you expect me to confirm what it is?

Youre the one selling it, you should know what it is, and if you dont know then dont list it as a 1.8 pipe. List it as unknown or do your own leg work and call begi and send pictures to determine exactly what it is.

Its not my responsibility.

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So when you come right down to it, what is the pipe, actually?

Is it a downpipe that will bolt up to a specific turbo(like a garrett 2554), mounted on a begi manifold and terminate at the angle and position of a 1.6 stock cat; or what?

If so, there might be people here that need it. and you can flip it without any loss.
Its a 1.6 pipe, for a T25 turbo, for a Begi T25 Manifold, for a 1.6 catalytic.

edit 1: as for paypal, it opened and closed the claim all on its own because they dont give a **** if you get shipped the wrong ****, only that you get something from the seller.
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Old 04-21-2008, 11:28 PM   #27
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It only has 1 bung at the top, and would need another installed for a wideband.


I bought the dp from ben on the forums, and he said it was the 1.8 cat flange
although I never got a chance to confirm. U can dig up his old forsale thread
to confirm before I ship it out. Don't want the same thing to happen.

He said it was a 1.8 cat flange?, Ben's a pretty respected member here so why wouldnt I naturally trust his word, he didnt just join yesterday.

Otherwise, how would I confirm what it is unless I had it in my hands? No one on this forum even knows how to tell the pipes apart. I do, cause i have 3 of them.

Why am I digging up his old for sale thread? What is this "same thing" you dont want to happen"? Did you try to test fit the pipe and it didnt work?


edit: and the only reason it fits a 1.8 flange is because it has open ends. It can fit any flange.
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Old 04-22-2008, 01:03 AM   #28
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Seemed like he gave you a good heads up, YOU decided to buy it even though he says he couldn't confirm what kind of flange it had. Ben even confirmed earlier in this thread that he sold it to teknikscian in good faith that it was a 1.8 DP.

Sour grapes. Sell the DP and cut your losses. Nothing to be gained by dragging this crap into public.
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Old 04-22-2008, 01:55 AM   #29
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Sam, I see you have 1,999 posts right now. I hope you don't waste your 2000th being a cry baby in this thread. You stand to make a few bucks on this downpipe. I bet you could have easily gotten $235+ for it if you hadn't made this thread. It sounds like Tek gave you fair warning that he couldn't confirm nor deny the intended use of the dp.
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Nonsense. The auction listing clearly states it's for a 1.8.

Where Tek got it is irrelevant; he sold it as something, he's responsible for it being what he says it is. He should take the DP back and issue a complete refund.
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Nonsense. The auction listing clearly states it's for a 1.8.

Where Tek got it is irrelevant; he sold it as something, he's responsible for it being what he says it is. He should take the DP back and issue a complete refund.
Except he stated that he could not confirm that it was a 1.8 DP before Sam pulled the trigger.
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should i send Ben 50 PM's and have him send me 45 bucks now?
Well, what if after you bought that DP from ben and tried to install and found out it didn't fit? Then you go through the trouble to find out it's actually a different pipe then what Ben told you it was? What would you do if this put you in a bind? How would you feel about the seller mis representing the item?

Jeezus. That's pathetic. You said it was something it was not. You clearly misrepresented the item. What your information was based on is irrelevant. YOU said it was something it was not, and the sale took place on the premises it was a 1.8 pipe. If I sold someone a 99 cylinder head and they got it and found out it was an earlier NA head, who's fault would it be? Would it be fair for me to say the buyer should have asked more questions? I mean, I SAID it was a 99. What loopholes would I need to work to justify not refunding the guy teck? Should I just send him 45 bucks?
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Old 04-22-2008, 02:29 AM   #33
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Thats what I am trying to do, flip it and get rid of it.

And I already tried to deal with him over PM, I have a whole PM box full of back and forths with him, so you have nothing to doubt.

I warned him I would make this public and he said, theres no reason to start drama.
Ummm, this is what I was doubting. That bringing it to the forum would solve anything. I don't know the whole story so I cant take any sides, but as you can see already everyone has a different opinion. Its really....between you guys.

Sucks with all the bad luck on Paypal. I ******* live off buying things with Paypal. I even have the new security number generator for added security, seeing I now use it like a third bank account.

Goodluck with this **** guys, it'll all work out.

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If I was buying the pipe and the seller told me he could not confirm what it is, I either wouldn't buy it, or if I did buy it, I would consider myself warned that It may not be what I needed. The fact that he felt the needed to tell you he didn't know much about how it might fit should have been your first clue. I bought some injectors once on ebay, I didn't ask enough questions, it wasn't what I needed...my fault. I sould them.

Ben said he got the pipe from FM, why did you ask Begi about the pipe instead of FM? Is it a Begi pipe that was sold used by FM? just curious.
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I believe its a Begi pipe made for FM, I think at one time they had some arrangements.

This is proof its for a 1.6 cat, 84mm center to center of the cat studs. This is information from corky, 1.8 cats are 89mm, and 1.8NB are even bigger.

The only reason it fits a 1.8 cat flange is because of the open ends. The angle of the flange also supports it as being a 1.6.

Ill putting it up for sale in the sale section, in a little bit.
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dude... learn how to use calipers... the way you are measuring that it could be +/- 6mm and we wouldn't know the difference from that pic.
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sam, i will buy it off you if it def fits my 1.6 ill cancel the DP from bell and save the cash
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sam, i will buy it off you if it def fits my 1.6 ill cancel the DP from bell and save the cash
It cant be anything else. Angle of flange, distance between centerline of studs, it doesnt fit my car(1.8) and its nothing like the NB pipe I have.

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dude... learn how to use calipers... the way you are measuring that it could be +/- 6mm and we wouldn't know the difference from that pic.
Its close enough to see that its 84mm.
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sam, i will buy it off you if it def fits my 1.6 ill cancel the DP from bell and save the cash
Problem solved then maybe. But my 2 cents anyways.....

In a perfect world, if the seller couldn't confirm what he was selling it should not have been listed as 1.8. Regardless if he told the buyer he wasn't sure.

The seller expected a fair price for a 1.8 DP, that's what he expected to sell. He probably even got the same price that a similar used 1.8 DP in the same condition went for.

If said part was priced as a mystery part, severely under market price, then all bets are pretty much off.

Good faith agreements should be honored by both parties. If Sam can't sell, Tek should take it back.

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