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Joe Perez May 16, 2015 09:35 AM

It's not uncommon for states to codify in statute that which is already generally accepted in common law, especially if there has been a recent controversy or a complex procedural history. This is not meant specifically to change the law per se, merely to remove ambiguity from it.

thenuge26 May 16, 2015 11:29 AM

Indiana has done all sorts of fucked up shit lately. Sorry Monk, but the only redemable part of this state is Indianapolis, the rest is kinda shitty.


To be fair the same can be said of Chicago and Illinois.

shuiend May 16, 2015 04:05 PM

1984 Porsche 944 for trade. How stupid would I be to trade one of my miatas for this thing? I know nothing about Porsche except that they are $$$.

rleete May 16, 2015 04:11 PM

They are fun. Equivalent to a Miata in a lot of ways. MUCH more expensive to fix, though. Parts are about 2-3 times what you'd pay for Miata stuff. Blow an engine and expect to pay big bucks to fix. Note the steering wheel. It was way cheaper to buy a Momo wheel and adapter than the center part for the original steering wheel.

But you get to hold your nose in the air and say, "I have a Porsche."

18psi May 16, 2015 04:28 PM

99% of the people that say "all it needs is...this one tiny little part that takes 30 seconds to replace....but I dont have time to do it" are dbag liars trying to sell their basket case car to someone dumb.
The remaining 1% are people really lazy and busy and you could score a great deal on a car requiring little work to get running.

The odds are not in your favor tho

Monk May 16, 2015 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by thenuge26 (Post 1231862)
Indiana has done all sorts of fucked up shit lately. Sorry Monk, but the only redemable part of this state is Indianapolis, the rest is kinda shitty.


To be fair the same can be said of Chicago and Illinois.

No need to apologize to me, although Indy is one of my least favorite parts of the state.
I don't actually think it's a fucked up law though. I thought it had been in place for several years now.

thenuge26 May 16, 2015 06:41 PM

Oh yeah not that one in particular, but starting with the RFRA and now I heard they're spending another $750k to "rehab the state's image" after RFRA.

Hey at least I saw they're doing a $30million renovation to IMS after the bike race in August.

mgeoffriau May 16, 2015 08:42 PM

Doesn't the 944 have one really stupid maintenance item? Something like the timing belt requiring dropping the engine from the bottom or something every 15k miles?

triple88a May 16, 2015 08:45 PM

So i want to use my computers speakers and microphone to lower the noise in my room. Any ideas on software that does that?

Basically i'm looking for a program that will use the microphone to record the sound, invert it 180 degrees and play it again through the speakers.

rleete May 16, 2015 08:50 PM

Years ago I embarked on a crazy project: make a large (i.e. 40%) scale model of a Tiger tank. At this scale, it's the size of a picnic table, or barely big enough to ride in. Fast forward 12 years, and the half finished hull is still taking up space in the back of my garage. I'd like to get rid of it, but I just don't have the heart to smash all that work into splinters.

Anyone have any ideas on how to get rid of it?

triple88a May 16, 2015 08:53 PM

Well at the very least i'd take pics. As far as the rest, why not use it to store stuff in? Craigslist?

mgeoffriau May 16, 2015 08:57 PM


Originally Posted by rleete (Post 1231986)
Years ago I embarked on a crazy project: make a large (i.e. 40%) scale model of a Tiger tank. At this scale, it's the size of a picnic table, or barely big enough to ride in. Fast forward 12 years, and the half finished hull is still taking up space in the back of my garage. I'd like to get rid of it, but I just don't have the heart to smash all that work into splinters.

Anyone have any ideas on how to get rid of it?

Drive it over a bridge.

rleete May 16, 2015 09:10 PM

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Last known pic before turret was destroyed.

EO2K May 16, 2015 09:36 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1231909)
1984 Porsche 944 for trade. How stupid would I be to trade one of my miatas for this thing? I know nothing about Porsche except that they are $$$.

I didn't even look but I bet it needs a clutch.

The big problems with these cats are that the 84 is now literally 30 years old. Zee Germans are very good at certain things, but no one was good at plastic in the 80's. You are talking about 30 years worth of heat cycling and age on EVERYTHING under the hood. Vacuum lines, wires, hoses, plastic ducts, etc. Its a nightmare trying to chase down issues. Remember that these cars were designed for the European market and then the emissions systems were band-aided on to work in the US. All that glorious German engineering ruined by emissions controls.

Originally Posted by rleete (Post 1231910)
They are fun.

They ARE fun. A very good friend had a 88 944 TurboS and it was a riot when it was running right.


Originally Posted by rleete (Post 1231910)
. MUCH more expensive to fix, though. Parts are about 2-3 times what you'd pay for Miata stuff.

Try about 10x as much. Start looking up basic replacement parts and you'll start to get dizzy. Most people who are not mechanically inclined sell them as soon as they see basic repair bills come up.


Originally Posted by rleete (Post 1231910)
But you get to hold your nose in the air and say, "I have a Porsche."

Only to the uninitiated. ;) The water cooled 944 will make 911 purists scoff at you for claiming you own a Porsche :rofl:


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 1231982)
Doesn't the 944 have one really stupid maintenance item? Something like the timing belt requiring dropping the engine from the bottom or something every 15k miles?

It has a lot of things like that. The Germans did not design the car to be worked on, that's for sure. Start looking at the process to replace the clutch (mounted in the rear transaxle), timing belt, brakes or suspension. Its a phenomenal clusterfuck.

I find Porsche people in generally to be very odd. They usually don't work on their cars themselves and refuse to use any part on the car that does not say "Mit Un Wolfsberg" on the box.

Originally Posted by from the add
aftermarket NGK spark plug ignition wire set

See that? They pointed out the ONE non-OEM part they put on the car, almost like they are embarrassed but they feel the need to disclose it.

Having said all that, if I had the time/budget I'd buy one for $1400, figure out how to rip out the factory injection system and replace it with something modern, install and EFR and troll the shit out of Porsche people with it, for the lulz. (If I didn't live in California)

shooterschmidty May 17, 2015 12:18 AM

944s were considered to be the best handling cars of their time. Also, LSx fits, and of course, makes everything better.

kenzo42 May 17, 2015 01:38 AM

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Bonjour from Paris. Now tell me what I am suppose to do with this?

Reverant May 17, 2015 04:27 AM

Pee in it with a fake accent?

shuiend May 17, 2015 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1231997)
I didn't even look but I bet it needs a clutch.

The big problems with these cats are that the 84 is now literally 30 years old. Zee Germans are very good at certain things, but no one was good at plastic in the 80's. You are talking about 30 years worth of heat cycling and age on EVERYTHING under the hood. Vacuum lines, wires, hoses, plastic ducts, etc. Its a nightmare trying to chase down issues. Remember that these cars were designed for the European market and then the emissions systems were band-aided on to work in the US. All that glorious German engineering ruined by emissions controls.

They ARE fun. A very good friend had a 88 944 TurboS and it was a riot when it was running right.

Try about 10x as much. Start looking up basic replacement parts and you'll start to get dizzy. Most people who are not mechanically inclined sell them as soon as they see basic repair bills come up.


Only to the uninitiated. ;) The water cooled 944 will make 911 purists scoff at you for claiming you own a Porsche :rofl:


It has a lot of things like that. The Germans did not design the car to be worked on, that's for sure. Start looking at the process to replace the clutch (mounted in the rear transaxle), timing belt, brakes or suspension. Its a phenomenal clusterfuck.

I find Porsche people in generally to be very odd. They usually don't work on their cars themselves and refuse to use any part on the car that does not say "Mit Un Wolfsberg" on the box.
See that? They pointed out the ONE non-OEM part they put on the car, almost like they are embarrassed but they feel the need to disclose it.

Having said all that, if I had the time/budget I'd buy one for $1400, figure out how to rip out the factory injection system and replace it with something modern, install and EFR and troll the shit out of Porsche people with it, for the lulz. (If I didn't live in California)

All this makes perfect sense. Really I am considering it because it would be a nice change from a miata. Would not be looking to sink a ton of money into it, but if I could get 1000-2000 miles of driving out of the 944 over the next year or two I would consider the venture a success. I have AAA so if it does die on my I can get it towed home no problem. Looking up timing belt and water pump kits on eBay show they are about twice the price of the miata, which honestly is not to bad. A friend of mine in NoVA has a 87 944 and he told me if I can work on the miata, I can work on the 944 with no problem. He also said at that price if it does shit the bed, parting it out would be feasible and should be able to make back the cost of the car.

So the follow up question is how well do they take to boost? Is it the same motor that is used by the 944Turbo? If I was to install a MS3X, modern injectors, one of the many turbos I have sitting around, would it put a shit eating grin on my face?

triple88a May 17, 2015 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by kenzo42 (Post 1232046)
Bonjour from Paris. Now tell me what I am suppose to do with this?

I dont know? Wash your ass? Which way does the water spray? :rofl:

Joe Perez May 17, 2015 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by shuiend (Post 1232068)
So the follow up question is how well do they take to boost? Is it the same motor that is used by the 944Turbo?

I know virtually nothing about 944s, but a few minutes browsing around the Pelican forums and archives suggests that it's the same block, but that the Turbo model came with forged pistons at 8.0:1 CR, whereas the non-turbo models used cast pistons at anywhere from 9.5:1 to 10.9:1, depending on year.


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