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Joe Perez Aug 1, 2013 12:34 AM


Originally Posted by triple88a (Post 1038856)
I'm surprised he hasnt been banned from there too. It appears that even CR didnt want him.

Nah, mere arrogance and stupidity isn't nearly enough to get banned from M.n. For that, you have to do something really egregious, like question a decision made by Gary J. Fishman.

Pen2_the_penguin Aug 1, 2013 12:40 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1038858)
question a decision made by Gary J. Fishman.

:jerkit:

NA6C-Guy Aug 1, 2013 12:41 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1038858)
Nah, mere arrogance and stupidity isn't nearly enough to get banned from MT. For that, you have to do something really egregious, like question a decision made by Gary J. Fishman.

M-T=Correct forum.

Joe Perez Aug 1, 2013 12:47 AM


Originally Posted by NA6C-Guy (Post 1038860)
M-T=Correct forum.

(facepalm)

I sometimes forget that forums other than MT exist, or that all forums aren't MT.

(Except for SuperAwesomeBronyForum.net, which is not at all difficult to distinguish from MT, as the logo is an entirely different shade of pink. More of a light purple, really. With with blue, rather than yellow, as an accent color.)

FRT_Fun Aug 1, 2013 12:48 AM

I'm upset that you don't own that domain Joe.

Pen2_the_penguin Aug 1, 2013 12:55 AM

I am upset that its not a real forum

Full_Tilt_Boogie Aug 1, 2013 01:04 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1038858)
to do something really egregious, like question a decision made by Gary J. Fishman.

Or call him a ------. I guess he didnt understand that I was trying to come onto him :giggle:

Pen2_the_penguin Aug 1, 2013 01:11 AM

I learned you can google hyper reroute and get a archive of hilarity.

Oscar Aug 1, 2013 02:19 AM


Originally Posted by Pen2_the_penguin (Post 1038865)
I am upset that its not a real forum

I'm more upset that it probably will be one day

Braineack Aug 1, 2013 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by Pen2_the_penguin (Post 1038873)
I learned you can google hyper reroute and get a archive of hilarity.

I made myself lol here.

What's the worst coolant situation you have ever seen? - MX-5 Miata Forum

rleete Aug 1, 2013 12:57 PM

You rebel, you.

rleete Aug 1, 2013 12:57 PM

Damn, double post.

Pen2_the_penguin Aug 1, 2013 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1039048)

This was one of my favorite reads
Coolant Reroute - Two Thermostats - MX-5 Miata Forum

FRT_Fun Aug 1, 2013 01:47 PM

How many threads does hyper have about reroutes wtf.

triple88a Aug 1, 2013 02:57 PM

Many... and he fails in all of them.

The thing i like in perticular in that thread is the fact that hes running a plug in the front and thinking that a 160 degree thermostat will improve flow...



Quote - Hyper
"how difficult is for you to understand that in post no. 1 coolant ONLY exits throught the back of the head, really? There is a freeze plug in the front cylinder head and a block off plate in the t-stat neck.
Now assuming you understand, placing 160 t-stat at the front t-stat neck does nothing when the engine is warming up, it is just holding coolant in the coolant pipe until temperature reaches 160."

And then Savington ruined the fun.. DAMN PARTY POOPER!!!

concealer404 Aug 1, 2013 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by Full_Tilt_Boogie (Post 1038764)
Holy shit. Is that "Big Gulp"? I guess some idiot bought it and went full retard with some spraypaint...


From what i read... that was actually the original builder of "Big Gulp" that did that for some unknown reason. :rofl:

triple88a Aug 1, 2013 03:17 PM

Its been a long time since i saw the thread but i remember seeing the for sale thread of the big gulp... I dont remember the car being red shit in the pictures.

mgeoffriau Aug 1, 2013 08:13 PM

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Got to wondering today.

Has it ever been determined conclusively whether drivetrain losses are static or proportional? I see various discussions on this topic; one side claiming that a standard Miata drivetrain would always subtract the same x amount of HP whether the engine made 110 hp or 310 hp, and another side claiming that drivetrain losses function as some percentage of engine power and thus increase proportionally as engine power is increased.

It would seem like a relatively straightforward thing to test -- not cheap or easy, perhaps -- but straightforward. But someone, somewhere must have tested the rate of change between chassis dynamometers and engine dynamometers when engine power is increased (or decreased), right? Why is this still argued on car forums? Has a definitive answer been found, and if so, why isn't it widely known?

Joe Perez Aug 2, 2013 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by mgeoffriau (Post 1039226)
Has it ever been determined conclusively whether drivetrain losses are static or proportional?

They are most certainly not static.

For the following, I am going to pull totally made-up numbers out of Hustler's ass, so don't quote me on exact values.

Let's hypothetically assume that at 130 MPH at wide-open-throttle on a race track, the transmission and differential convert 20 HP of mechanical energy into heat. This is equivalent to about 15,000 watts, and so the transmission oil gets hotter than all fuck as a result.

If this were a constant, then the transmission and diff would also have to be dissipating 20 HP of mechanical energy when you're creeping through a parking lot at 5 MPH, and generating the same amount of heat.

This is clearly not the case.

While I can't give you a formula, I can assure you that loss in the drivetrain varies BOTH with speed and with load. It is NEITHER a static value nor a simple percentage of generated HP.

NA6C-Guy Aug 2, 2013 01:09 AM

Yeah. Logic would dictate that it is not static but proportional in some manner. I would guess it would also be exponential as well. Probably a small increase up the range.


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