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Laur3ns 05-26-2009 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 412159)
I talked to FM about this on Sunday. They said they considered it because its a good idea, but they chose backward compatibility. If I had known what I know now, 2 years ago, I'd have v-bands and a tubular manifold.

I feel tack welding is a bit more Miata-ish than V-Bands. V-Bands in an high spec race car yes, in a $3k Miata, no.

hustler 05-26-2009 04:58 PM

can you see this vid?


This was a buddy behind me in a 230whp car on r-comps. Its our first session of the day on my first track day in two years, so bring the hate.

ZX-Tex 05-26-2009 05:24 PM

HA that is me in the green NB from 2:50 to 3:50. I like the black puff of smoke leaving the Wagon Wheel.

If anyone is wondering WTF, I had the radio on (antenna up) because I was listening to the motor with the electric det can. I need to put a power antenna defeat switch on that damn thing.

sixshooter 05-26-2009 07:56 PM

Hustler,
Your right brake light is out.

crashnscar 05-26-2009 08:35 PM

Hustler: next time focus on using the entire track. You weren't really hitting your apexes and weren't necessarily tracking out as far as you could have been.
Also looks like your steering input could be smoother, but that's hard to tell from the car behind.

l_bader 05-26-2009 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 411989)
The next event comes up in 2-weeks.

Considering by the time the HR-gonks have me in the system, I complete a pay-period and finally see a check, it won't be until July before I regain a positive cash flow.

First step will be a new fuel pump and time at the dyno. Second will be finding a hardtop. Then we'll see about some track time...

(And I still need (want) to make another visit to the Texas Mile!)

- L

hustler 05-26-2009 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by crashnscar (Post 412215)
Hustler: next time focus on using the entire track. You weren't really hitting your apexes and weren't necessarily tracking out as far as you could have been.
Also looks like your steering input could be smoother, but that's hard to tell from the car behind.

i know this. Like I said, you just saw my first 3-laps in 2-years, in a totally different car, with lots of other drama. I wish I had a vid of the last session. I also spent the majority of that session looking at the dials in obsessive paranoia. There was a fucking laundry list of things that could have been better on those laps. I just wanted to get a feel for the car, and see how much throttle I could use in each gear/corner.

At the end of the day I was really starting to cook and get back on the horse.

m2cupcar 05-27-2009 12:04 AM

Looks busy. But I suppose doubling the power might give you less time to get it done. ;)

curly 05-27-2009 12:21 AM

nice buttsexing Hustler, I had no idea you were such a fan.

Although I'd agree with the others, that you're not hitting the apexi, I admit that I did the exact same thing on my first turbo'd track day though. With the added power (aka turn in speed) suddenly the tires didn't have the grip to get me to the inside of the track. The only reason I might have done better was my last NA day and my first turbo day were only a few months apart.

Kudos again on a successful day, looks like an absolute riot.

miatamania 05-27-2009 12:33 AM

Holy shit I just saw this thread.

Hustler. Congrats man!

cueball1 05-27-2009 01:59 AM


Originally Posted by curly (Post 412279)
nice buttsexing Hustler, I had no idea you were such a fan.

Kudos again on a successful day, looks like an absolute riot.


It's Hustler! Of course he's a fan!

Here in the NW it's a banner day when we can get two FI Miata on the track the same day! Damn, you TX and Cali guys get to have all the fun. I gotta make it down to a CA get together.

hustler 05-27-2009 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by m2cupcar (Post 412275)
Looks busy. But I suppose doubling the power might give you less time to get it done. ;)

edit: Try more than tripling the power and torque.
once I finally relaxed and stopped forcing the car, it became really easy to drive and much faster. Its one thing to add more power, but the addition of brakes, rubber, and suspension changed everything from braking points to apex/turn-in/track-out/steering angle/weight transfer (I could feel the body twisting when I rolled into boost on the out-lap). I probably would have been faster if we painted the car pink and told me it was a different car because nothing crossed over. The suspension was the biggest difference. The car is soooo much more relaxed and I never got close to the limits going from GC/Bilstein to the Flex w/ real spring rates. Everything was counter-intuitive for the first 3-sessions of the day...it felt like the tires grew and inch and I was driving a cadilac on the last session.

hustler 05-27-2009 01:08 PM


I'm leading the train at 1:40, working on lines, chilled out and learning to drive the car.

I found the line later in the day. The instructor owned/driven yellow car is an fm2 driven by, the blue car is a 230whp TDR product. Its crazy that I'm going that fast in the vid; I felt like I was just putting around.

m2cupcar 05-27-2009 01:20 PM

I get your leap. I went from a showroom stock 91 Miata to a 96 Viper GTS. I quickly realized that the though the speed/power difference was huge, the cornering difference wasn't. That meant a lot learning with the brakes to get the Viper down to a cornering speed that would allow to get on the throttle rather than spend the entire turn trying to recover from a hot entry into the turn. And I think that's what I see in the videos above. Usually why it's hard to hit the apex.

Braineack 05-27-2009 01:54 PM

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ZX-Tex 05-27-2009 02:00 PM

I remember that cone in the left-hander at Rattlesnake. I ran right over that damn thing the first time I came around the corner; someone else had already knocked it onto the track. Each time I came around it had moved again (been hit) LOL.

I want to get some track tires and come back to kick some butt. No more wave-arounds :fawk: but maybe I'll give you a reach-around :ky:

cueball1 05-27-2009 02:35 PM

Hustler,

Hint for next time. Get behind a VERY good driver/instructor in a lesser car. Something you know you can hang with. Plant yourself behind them and relearn the lines, braking points, etc. I always pick up something when I do that. Someone in a less powerful car is trying to carry more momentum. Saves brakes and smooths out the driving. Once you have the line down and are driving smooth start rolling on the power.

You could also forget all that, drive like a maniac and learn a bunch about of recovery skills!

FI is a blast at the track. I went from a terminal speed at PIR of 90/95 mph front and back straight to 124/122. The guys doing 140 in the GT3's aren't impressed but a 30mph increase sure changes everything when it comes to brakes, turn in and cornering speeds.

Machismo 05-27-2009 02:43 PM

/\ Yep, if I had been there, that would've been me. I run 1:30's with a lowly 105 HP. ;)

Savington 05-27-2009 03:06 PM

Stein, every single setup I've had on this car stays intact when you are just street driving BEGi's stupid "don't fit" M10 nuts, copper lockers, normal nylocks, etc.

Take it on track, and off they come.

jeff_man 05-27-2009 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by hustler (Post 412170)
can you see this vid?


This was a buddy behind me in a 230whp car on r-comps. Its our first session of the day on my first track day in two years, so bring the hate.



my car is only pushing 190ish whp, 205max. :mad:

your welcome for the vid


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