I'm a Subie guy now
12-25-2010, 10:54 PM
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I've got a thread around here somewhere when I was looking at these guys. In the end, they just weren't big enough and I ended up with a 4Runner. Be sure to hit the subaruforester.com for all the specifics you need. They're not the hard-core performance group like we've got here... more of an m.net approach to stuff, but all the info is there.
On the other hand, the new Outback's are freaking huge inside... but only automatics in XT trim and a bit heavy. I still kick myself in the *** all the time for buying my Mazdaspeed6 over a Legacy GT.
On the other hand, the new Outback's are freaking huge inside... but only automatics in XT trim and a bit heavy. I still kick myself in the *** all the time for buying my Mazdaspeed6 over a Legacy GT.
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12-26-2010, 12:58 AM
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Woot I have a FXT '04 myself. We should start our own turbo miata and turbo forester owners forum.
Yes sf.com is like m.net but they do have a passable e-z upgrade guide.
Wait. Where is your miata? I see not one in your signature.
Yes sf.com is like m.net but they do have a passable e-z upgrade guide.
Wait. Where is your miata? I see not one in your signature.
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12-26-2010, 01:21 AM
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-cobb accessport is for women and gays. complete and utter waste of money.
-sti manifold and up pipe are EXACTLY the same as the ones on his car already.
-sti struts WILL NOT fit his car unless he gets specifically the 04 sti struts. any other year will not work.
-sti injectors are the same size that he has already.
-walbro pump won't do **** unless he's going bigger than vf series turbos.
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at the cheap retarded plug for STi steering rack: it won't do **** for him and is a waste of money. nice try though.
You should learn a thing or two about scoobs before handing out advice. You're clearly a noob.
-sti manifold and up pipe are EXACTLY the same as the ones on his car already.
-sti struts WILL NOT fit his car unless he gets specifically the 04 sti struts. any other year will not work.
-sti injectors are the same size that he has already.
-walbro pump won't do **** unless he's going bigger than vf series turbos.
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at the cheap retarded plug for STi steering rack: it won't do **** for him and is a waste of money. nice try though.You should learn a thing or two about scoobs before handing out advice. You're clearly a noob.
While I am certainly no forester expert, I was just trying to be helpful
As for the accessport, I know people on this forum are cheap to a fault(chinachargers etc.) but it certainly is one option if you want a supported product. I suppose the large number of subaru owners who have accessports are all old women or gays right?
On the exhaust manifold/uppipe. Sorry misread the year of his FXT I thought it said 05. prior to 06 the uppipes were catted and so a STI item was a very slight upgrade. The exhaust manifold I don't know about. On the earlier year Foresters some people claimed they were exactly the same others claimed dyno gains when they replaced the stock item with the STI item. either way a moot point
Sorry I didn't specify that he needed 04 struts(as I did for the brakes). still not a bad option. I think there is a company Feal? that now does revalves on the STI struts although I doubt they have anything specific for the forester.
The injectors. here I was wrong, I didn't know that the FXT came with yellow tops.
The fuel pump. While it is true that the FXT pump probably would be able to handle a VF upgrade there have been cases where it hasn't. Some people have done 650 injectors as well, not even factoring in if you wanted run e85.
The steering rack. Seems like this is a pretty common mod for foresters given the stock rack is like 19 to 1 in the center compared to a fixed 15 to 1 for the STi rack. It sure felt better in my friend's forester anyway. Yes an 04 rack is easier to swap than later years but later years have been done too. I would have probably just given him my steering rack as I have a Qrack, not trying to make any money. I guess we'll have to disagree about this one.
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12-26-2010, 01:32 AM
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There is nothing wrong with the Accessport. My good friend is running one on his 09 STI with a full turbo back and the stage 2 map from COBB. On the dyno he gained 35ft/lbs of torque and 40whp. Not bad for a "bolt on" universal item. That, and his car has a warranty and he wanted something that was easy to remove without trace. Try that with a stand alone.
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12-26-2010, 01:42 AM
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There is nothing wrong with the Accessport. My good friend is running one on his 09 STI with a full turbo back and the stage 2 map from COBB. On the dyno he gained 35ft/lbs of torque and 40whp. Not bad for a "bolt on" universal item. That, and his car has a warranty and he wanted something that was easy to remove without trace. Try that with a stand alone.
Your friend paid 700 bux (if he bought new) for a piece of crap little gadget to flash maps he can't alter in any way when he could have spent 100 on a tactrix cable and done EXACTLY the same thing and would have been able to fine tune said maps to his car and have a MUCH more efficiently running car making more power and eating less fuel (the shitty ots maps run something ridic like 10.5:1 afr and shitty timing curves. barely any improvement over stock)
Run along noob.
) but it was mis-information. If I post mis information feel free to correct me right away too, I expect nothing less. I've seen people follow this sort of advice and buy **** that doesn't work on their car. It truly sucks.
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12-26-2010, 02:46 AM
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No one said anything about stand alone. Opensource is everything the penisport is and more.
Your friend paid 700 bux (if he bought new) for a piece of crap little gadget to flash maps he can't alter in any way when he could have spent 100 on a tactrix cable and done EXACTLY the same thing and would have been able to fine tune said maps to his car and have a MUCH more efficiently running car making more power and eating less fuel (the shitty ots maps run something ridic like 10.5:1 afr and shitty timing curves. barely any improvement over stock)
Run along noob.
Its good that you're trying to be helpful (and I probably came off way more "flamey" than I intended to) but it was mis-information. If I post mis information feel free to correct me right away too, I expect nothing less.
I've seen people follow this sort of advice and buy **** that doesn't work on their car. It truly sucks.
Your friend paid 700 bux (if he bought new) for a piece of crap little gadget to flash maps he can't alter in any way when he could have spent 100 on a tactrix cable and done EXACTLY the same thing and would have been able to fine tune said maps to his car and have a MUCH more efficiently running car making more power and eating less fuel (the shitty ots maps run something ridic like 10.5:1 afr and shitty timing curves. barely any improvement over stock)
Run along noob.
Its good that you're trying to be helpful (and I probably came off way more "flamey" than I intended to
) but it was mis-information. If I post mis information feel free to correct me right away too, I expect nothing less. I've seen people follow this sort of advice and buy **** that doesn't work on their car. It truly sucks.
I have no problem with having any errors highlighted. I get a little testy when there are lots of capital letters, and phrases like cheap and retarded thrown around(OTOH I did use asshat). Of course that's just the internet in general-SERIOUS BUSINESS.
Either way I would hope someone looking at an upgrade path would take the time to check out any and all claims made on a car forum.
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12-26-2010, 09:38 AM
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Since we are arguing over silly stuff, why use a $100 tactrix cable for opensource tuning when you can use a $10 ebay cable? I spent $20 on one because it shipped from within the usa, but if you have weeks to wait for one to ship from chingdong you can get 'em for $10.
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12-26-2010, 07:07 PM
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The accessport is a big waste of money. As 18psi said the ots maps are pig rich and some people get 16-18 mpg with these. For the $600 you spend for the accessport you can have a pefectly tailored opensource tune from a good tunner. My tune in my STI gets 27 mpg at a nice 75-80 mph cruise. Drop your foot and the touqe is nasty. No need for differnt maps.
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12-26-2010, 08:16 PM
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/USB-O...motiveQ5fTools
Word on the legacy forums is that the blue wired versions don't work as well as the silver wire versions (I run the silver wired like the above link but sourced from within the usa cause I have no patience for China shipment times). I got my info on how to use this off legacygt.com 'cause I have an outback but obviously the same applies to the forester, and nasioc seems to be way too big to find any good info quickly.
I'm running the latest versions of romraider/defs, ecuflash & learning view on my netbook and my dad's old laptop, both with windows XP with no issues. This is good because the lastest ecuflash comes with Tactrix drivers which load automatically when you install the software, which worked for this cable and WinXP. No need to delete drivers after the fact/download old software versions/find drivers off random hosting sites/hope you didn't forget anything/etc. Some have issues with Win7 but I stopped following that thread once I got my stuff working.
I also input my AEM gauge type WBO2 into romraider's logger using DIYautotune's serial/USB adapter with no issue. Romraider has "external sensors" tab for the aem and innovative widebands, to log them along with whatever else you check off.
EDIT: I just turned on ECUflash, I'm running 1.42.2595. Romraider is 0.5.2 beta.
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12-26-2010, 08:23 PM
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Pretty cool. I heard you talk about this before but never saw a link to actual product.
My tactrix is still near new condition but if I need one in the future that looks like an insanely good deal. Thanx for the link
PS: this helps OP too quite a bit. If you don't have one of these, GET IT
My tactrix is still near new condition but if I need one in the future that looks like an insanely good deal. Thanx for the link
PS: this helps OP too quite a bit. If you don't have one of these, GET IT
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12-26-2010, 08:39 PM
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No problem I'm sure you can help me out someday with my subie.
I have used my "setup" to scan (oh yeah, learning view shows CEL codes) and deactivate a cat inefficiency CEL on a '04 or '05 FXT. Hell, $10 for just a CEL reader is dirt cheap if that's all you use it for, assuming you already have a laptop.
And for me, I downloaded a "stage 2.5" map off romraider's forum, copied the tables I thought looked good, and away I went. It's still pig rich (off the WBO2 scale) but no where near as bad as some accessport maps I've dealt with, with their diesel like black exhaust at WOT. I was getting 26mpg max, highway in the summer but this cold weather is really hitting my MPG bad, down to 21.6 average now :( but holy shitznit winter torque!!
I'm sure you can help me out someday with my subie.I have used my "setup" to scan (oh yeah, learning view shows CEL codes) and deactivate a cat inefficiency CEL on a '04 or '05 FXT. Hell, $10 for just a CEL reader is dirt cheap if that's all you use it for, assuming you already have a laptop.
And for me, I downloaded a "stage 2.5" map off romraider's forum, copied the tables I thought looked good, and away I went. It's still pig rich (off the WBO2 scale) but no where near as bad as some accessport maps I've dealt with, with their diesel like black exhaust at WOT. I was getting 26mpg max, highway in the summer but this cold weather is really hitting my MPG bad, down to 21.6 average now :( but holy shitznit winter torque!!
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12-27-2010, 02:17 PM
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While Accessport can show great gains and is probably the simplest to use, knock correction is not as aggressive enough to prevent detonation. A lot of stage 1 and 2 motors that were blown b/c of EM are due to Accessport (especially newer 2.5 l blocks) and Open Source. This is based on info from 1 shop, so can be taken with a grain of salt. However, they're well known in the Subie community, especially for trannies (not the kind that Hustler bangs).
Ideally, go Open Source + UTEC with a good tuner and WB02.
Ideally, go Open Source + UTEC with a good tuner and WB02.
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12-27-2010, 02:31 PM
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Why in the everliving **** would anyone EVER want to slap a POS Utec on top of a fully programmed Opensource ecu?
Do you know what either one of them even is?
That's like saying "USE MEGASQUIRT + POWER CARD + good tuner + wb02"
feedback and fine learning knock correction as well as knock advance/retard are used to get to MBT and back off just like you would with det cans on a miata. They work. The factory knock sensors are well calibrated and very accurate.
Utec is old as ****, and a piggyback, comparable to a Link..
so basically crap
Do you know what either one of them even is?
That's like saying "USE MEGASQUIRT + POWER CARD + good tuner + wb02"
feedback and fine learning knock correction as well as knock advance/retard are used to get to MBT and back off just like you would with det cans on a miata. They work. The factory knock sensors are well calibrated and very accurate.
Utec is old as ****, and a piggyback, comparable to a Link..
so basically crap
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12-27-2010, 02:42 PM
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Why in the everliving **** would anyone EVER want to slap a POS Utec on top of a fully programmed Opensource ecu?
Do you know what either one of them even is?
That's like saying "USE MEGASQUIRT + POWER CARD + good tuner + wb02"
feedback and fine learning knock correction as well as knock advance/retard are used to get to MBT and back off just like you would with det cans on a miata. They work. The factory knock sensors are well calibrated and very accurate.
Utec is old as ****, and a piggyback, comparable to a Link..
so basically crap
Do you know what either one of them even is?
That's like saying "USE MEGASQUIRT + POWER CARD + good tuner + wb02"
feedback and fine learning knock correction as well as knock advance/retard are used to get to MBT and back off just like you would with det cans on a miata. They work. The factory knock sensors are well calibrated and very accurate.
Utec is old as ****, and a piggyback, comparable to a Link..
so basically crap
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12-27-2010, 02:46 PM
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Why in the everliving **** would anyone EVER want to slap a POS Utec on top of a fully programmed Opensource ecu?
Do you know what either one of them even is?
That's like saying "USE MEGASQUIRT + POWER CARD + good tuner + wb02"
feedback and fine learning knock correction as well as knock advance/retard are used to get to MBT and back off just like you would with det cans on a miata. They work. The factory knock sensors are well calibrated and very accurate.
Utec is old as ****, and a piggyback, comparable to a Link..
so basically crap
Do you know what either one of them even is?
That's like saying "USE MEGASQUIRT + POWER CARD + good tuner + wb02"
feedback and fine learning knock correction as well as knock advance/retard are used to get to MBT and back off just like you would with det cans on a miata. They work. The factory knock sensors are well calibrated and very accurate.
Utec is old as ****, and a piggyback, comparable to a Link..
so basically crap
Yes, I do know what UTEC is. And no, it's not even close to that retarded statement you made.
It's not just a piggyback. It offers a lot more functionality than just a piggyback.
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12-27-2010, 02:59 PM
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Then explain to me what a UTEC does that a stock ecu wouldn't be able to do?
I'm bitter?
I wrench on these cars on the side. So basically every weekend and when I have free time from working on my own car/house I wrench on subarus/evos. Our shop specializes in them.
When I see retarded **** posted I call it out.
I'm bitter?
I wrench on these cars on the side. So basically every weekend and when I have free time from working on my own car/house I wrench on subarus/evos. Our shop specializes in them.
When I see retarded **** posted I call it out.
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