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Old 12-27-2010, 04:05 PM   #41
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Map switch selection for pre-programmed maps, launch control, spare solenoid driver that can be used to trigger something like meth injection, shift light output (not sure if the last 2 items are available via OpenSource).

Just curious why you're so bitter?
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I'm not bitter. You're just a *****. I speak directly and it gets your panties in a bunch because its not rated G and I'm not licking your vagina.

I guess I should have been more specific:
What does any one of those features have anything to do with monitoring or preventing knock?
You suggested he get an opensource tune + Utec so his car runs safer.
Name one thing the Utec would be able to do to help the stock ECU do this?
Utec is old as hell. Its crap. Obsolete technology. Literally next to NO ONE uses them on subarus anymore.


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While Accessport can show great gains and is probably the simplest to use, knock correction is not as aggressive enough to prevent detonation. A lot of stage 1 and 2 motors that were blown b/c of EM are due to Accessport (especially newer 2.5 l blocks) and Open Source. This is based on info from 1 shop, so can be taken with a grain of salt. However, they're well known in the Subie community, especially for trannies (not the kind that Hustler bangs).

Ideally, go Open Source + UTEC with a good tuner and WB02.

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Old 12-27-2010, 04:30 PM   #43
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I'm not bitter. You're just a *****. I speak directly and it gets your panties in a bunch because its not rated G and I'm not licking your vagina.

I guess I should have been more specific:
What does any one of those features have anything to do with monitoring or preventing knock?
You suggested he get an opensource tune + Utec so his car runs safer.
Name one thing the Utec would be able to do to help the stock ECU do this?
Utec is old as hell. Its crap. Obsolete technology. Literally next to NO ONE uses them on subarus anymore.


Ok cockgobbler, regarding the stock ECU, it's ok at detecting knock at stock levels. It's not great for modified vehicles. The sensitivity is not all that great at detecting detonation. The UTEC/Delta can adjust knock sensitivity and be a lot more aggressive in adjusting for knock.

Go ahead and bash away. You seem to know so much about EM and the Subie world.

Regarding the old technology, if you're referring to UTEC using hyperterminal to communicate w/ the ECU, it's effective and allows you to view multiple fields live and change parameters on the fly (not as slick as Megasquirt).

Jermaine at TurboXS has gotten STis running VF39s to put down 400+ tq (at the wheels on Dynapacks).

The resolution available in the recent software updates has doubled.

It's okay to squabble all you want, no need to get personal and act like a kid with diaper rash.

EDIT: and "Literally next to NO ONE uses them on subarus anymore..." comment is just silly. I know of several 600+whp Subarus locally running UTEC. Idiot.
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Umad faggit?
Stock ecu can be adjusted to be more sensitive to knock.
It doesn't replace the stock knock sensors therefore it uses the SAME **** to monitor said knock.

Go on NAZIOC and browse the "proven power bragging" section. Show me who uses Utecs anymore.
Everyone uses full standalones like AEM/Hydra/Motec for the big power builds, and everything else is OS or AP.

You're mad cause you're using info you don't know **** about that you found out by just doing a search for it now.
Great logic btw: spend money on an OS tune then spend more money on a Utec to achieve the same ****. Then have them both circle jerk each other.

You should work for FFS and help them advertise the in line power cards.
I'll bet 5 utecs in line will achieve MAXIMUM RESOLUTION YO.

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Umad faggit?
Stock ecu can be adjusted to be more sensitive to knock.
It doesn't replace the stock knock sensors therefore it uses the SAME **** to monitor said knock.

Go on NAZIOC and browse the "proven power bragging" section. Show me who uses Utecs anymore.
Everyone uses full standalones like AEM/Hydra/Motec for the big power builds, and everything else is OS or AP.

You're mad cause you're using info you don't know **** about that you found out by just doing a search for it now.


No VladiWrX, I've hung out at Andrewtech and TurboXS a lot. True, the 600+whp guys use standalone. However, in many states, that won't pass emissions when they use OBDII or CAN BUS.

DugEFresh, MikAust are both local, use UTEC and were tuned by Jermaine.

I'm not mad, just don't understand how someone who claims to know so much, has less than 1000 posts on Nastycock, can sit here and talk so much trash. I'm sure you know a bit about the big hp Subarus. Just not as well-versed as you tout. You're very narrow minded.



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You found one of my screen names. Holy ****, I'm so honored
Since you're e-stalking me, now just find the one I regularly use (from the shop) and maybe you'll see that I'm not exactly a newb like you think


Now then, back on topic:
You still haven't showed me how a POS utec will help OP monitor knock or run more safe.
you keep beating around the bush with irrelevant bullshit.


And what states are you referring to?
Cause I'm in Cali and we have the most strict inspections and I've had dozens of cars pass the sniffer/visual, and most importantly the obd2 scan part of a smog check/inspection.

I"m all ears.
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Okay:

ECU - you can edit it to adjust knock correction, but not sensitivity (to the best of my knowledge).

UTEC - you can adjust knock sensitivity across multiple rpm ranges (IIRC, maybe 5 ranges?). AND, you can run different sensitivity levels (i.e., as the rpms go up, more noise....lower sensitivity).


The comment regarding emissions was directed towards standalones. Please show me a standalone that will pass OBDII scan.

There's a niche of cars that want a lot of power that something like the UTEC works perfect for their needs. Open Source is great to work in unison w/ UTEC.

Not everyone is willing and able to mod their car above 400whp. There are financial, drivability, reliability issues. There's the scare of bigger hp equals exponential spending and great chance of expensive maintenance and repairs, shorter lifespan of moving parts, etc.

So for the majority of Subaru owners that mod their car, something like the UTEC, Accessport, and Open Source are great for a car that can be registered for street use...not just a track/trailer queen.

If you can afford to dedicate a car to high hp and standalone, great! A small percentage of folks are willing to do so. They compromise and go for different solutions.
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You're pulling this "info" completely out of your ***.

No one needs a Utec with an OS tune.
There are literally hundreds of 400+ setups out there tuned with opensource.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO NEED for a Utec with OS. At all. Everyone agrees to that. Find me some proof on any of the scoob forums (that aren't written by TurboXs employees) that a Utec will help jack **** and benefit the car making it run safer than a simple OS tune. Opensource will support 400whp just like it will support 800whp. The features offered by standalones that make them superior to OS are not found in the Utec.

Its a garbage piggyback. Its neither here nor there.

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No, I've hung out at Andrewtech and TurboXS a lot
DING DING DING
It finally dawned on me why you're such an ignorant fanboi riding the Utecs ******* so hard. You're either friends with the employees or are brainwashed by their advertising. Totally understandable since you hung out there a lot.

Anyways, I'm done with this retarded bullshit: you've no experience with either platform, and are just regurgitating turboXs advertising. You most likely never even tuned with either one or even opened it up on a computer.

I've used a Utec to tune a couple WRX's.
Back in 2005-6.
It was a crude POS. Nothing compared to whats available nowadays. Even a Cobb accessport is more advanced than it.
I'll let OP sift through this bullshit and make the decision for himself (or whoever else is going to be reading this). They can go on the scoob sites and see for themselves lol
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:33 PM   #49
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lol why are we fighting about Subarus on a miata turbo forum?

Tactrix is great. . . it does just about everything and if you arent a dipshit its pretty easy to use. I have mine sitting right next to me .

I still dont get why people pay tuners when there are so many sources out there to teach you how to tune. If you think 95% of the people working at these tuner shops are smart people with mechanical engineering degrees ( or even a mechanic certification for that matter) you are wrong. IK a lot of "shops" that are no more than a bunch of kids who took out a loan, started a business and wing it. One of those companies just so happens to be in CT and just so happens to work on subaru's .

I was too lazy to read all of this rambling back and forth u guys are doing, but I put my .02 in anyway.
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-sti manifold and up pipe are EXACTLY the same as the ones on his car already.
Did this change in '06? I know for a fact that the '04 FXT and STI ex mans were different. I had both in my hands, posted pics at SF.com and NASIOC (I think) and had STI ported manifolds on my car. FXT manis had tighter bends and smaller port. Not to mention the gasket matching was horrendously poor.

Regardless, it wouldn't be worth the swap but a port match and new x-over pipe might be.

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lol why are we fighting about Subarus on a miata turbo forum?

Sorry, you're right. I've PM'd 18psi (n00berator)
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lol why are we fighting about Subarus on a miata turbo forum?

cause this is all Vlad has anymore.
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the **** is that supposed to mean?
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the **** is that supposed to mean?



Awwww, I forgive you.
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I'll reply to your PM propositioning cybersex when I get the chance.

Bottom line: OP made a thread about getting a scoob and we're talking scoobs.
What is the point in having a forum if we can't have discussions/arguments?
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I'll reply to your PM propositioning cybersex when I get the chance.

Bottom line: OP made a thread about getting a scoob and we're talking scoobs.
What is the point in having a forum if we can't have discussions/arguments?


Deal! We still asking Hustler to video tape us? I'll spring for the lube and protection.

Discussion - good.
Arguments - fine.
Bashing people that aren't <20 posts trolls - not so cool.
Not backing up your statements - weaksauce.

In any event, we all agree there's more than a handful of Subie owners here. Many of us drive modded Subarus (or have in the past). Our experiences run the whole spectrum. No biggie.
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** on a lighter note**

I am going outside to test my Tactrix on my brother's new OEM ecu. He had to source a new ECU because the **** at ECUTek (tuning company 10 yrs ago) lock all subaru ecus after they load their tune on it. The car was back on a stock tune and was still ******* locked.

Let the OS tuning begin !
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There is an awesome e-tuner on Legacygt.com that goes by Infamous1. I have been running my LGT on his tune for over two years now. Nothing by praises for him. His prices are about half of what you would pay for other so called "pro" tunes and my LGT runs 10X better than it did when dyno tuned by others.

I realize this is mostly a DIY forum (and you can flame me for not doing my own tuning, lol). But, for those on the Subaru platform that do not need or want to tune themselves, you will not regret using him. I am running OS. He will tune with both OS and cobb ap.

The only reason I am recommending him is that I am simply amazed at how much better (both in terms of power AND safety) my LGT runs on his tune vs others (and that also includes the factory tuner from that POS ECUtek that locks you into their system).
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I've been considering the Infamous1 tune for a while now as he gives a slight discount for those running the "itsme" FMIC which I'm doing. Everyone who uses him absolutely loves the results. I think it's normally $150 for 4 iterations via email/datalogs.

But the LGT basemaps by mickeyd2005 off romraider's forum seem pretty decent on my car (other than way rich...I guess that makes them not decent eh) and based off ~2008 posts there it seems infamous1 started with these maps/mickeyd back in the day.
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In Soviet Russia, UTEC tune you!
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