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Old 04-24-2009, 02:17 PM   #21
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Not to take away from findings.... but -
"Even the most improbable, can be made probable through statistics."
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Do you think it's more probable or improbable that the US government downplays civilian deaths in war through creative statistics?
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in sha allah...

hl ttlklm ballugha al'arabia??

edit - wa ith hatha saHee, hl ttklm ballahja aliraqeeya ow balfuSHa fuqT?
Salam Kotomile assayyida jamiila: lil'asaf, anaa ataHaddath
faqaT qaliil min aläarabiyya
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You just called me a beautiful girl...

ana uHadth qaleel min al'arabia aiDan, walaken balfusHa fuqT. qaleel min allahijaat...
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You just called me a beautiful girl...

ana uHadth qaleel min al'arabia aiDan, walaken balfusHa fuqT. qaleel min allahijaat...
It was a failed effort to say “I only speak a little Arabic”. It is a shame I have been over here nearly 5 years now, and I only know 25-30 words, and a few phrases. I worked with some Iraqi personnel in 2004, when I first came over. It is amazing how fast you forget a language that you barley had a grasp of to start with. We are going to start using locals again soon, so I just might get a chance to work on my Arabic again.
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I like when people chock-up the physiological symptoms of stress to "being a *****."
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What I would like to see is what percentage of those deaths are Iraqi on Iraqi violence. (or Arab on Iraqi since it's a great spot for any pissed off young arab to go have a shot at killing people)

Jeez I wish we'd have left Iraq alone until we finished whatever we were hoping to do in Afghanistan.
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Do you think it's more probable or improbable that the US government downplays civilian deaths in war through creative statistics?
I do find it odd that a very high percentage of the death rate of our veterans, are within the first six months of their returning.
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When absolutely everything must be erradicated.....send in the pregnant women. They have no conscience to their actions.
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I like when people chock-up the physiological symptoms of stress to "being a *****."
Seriously, those vets "claiming" to have PTSD are so friggen' gay. Losers couldn't hack it.
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Stress is a relative thing, what stresses you might not bother me a bit. The example of living in a bad neighborhood with gunfire, and high crime is a good one. If you where born into this, and had lived your entire life in that environment, it would not be as stressful to you as it would be some one that made a wrong turn and ended up there.
Iraqi people have lived under the threat of sudden death for the last 30 years, it has become quite normal. I witnessed this first hand a few years ago. June 2004, I was escorting an Iraqi threw the North ECP on Anaconda. We started taking heavy indirect fire (several rounds landing with in 100 yards of us), I was laying on the ground (highly stressed) trying to become one with the ground and a concrete divider, when I heard laughter. I look over and the Iraqi I was escorting is standing there pointing at me and laughing. I tried to get him to take cover, but he would not. He said if I live, or if I die it is Allah’s will (He was not stressed) .
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It was a failed effort to say “I only speak a little Arabic”. It is a shame I have been over here nearly 5 years now, and I only know 25-30 words, and a few phrases. I worked with some Iraqi personnel in 2004, when I first came over. It is amazing how fast you forget a language that you barley had a grasp of to start with. We are going to start using locals again soon, so I just might get a chance to work on my Arabic again.
Just messing with you man, you did call me a beautiful girl (thank you ) but it's a simple mistake. You meant to say sayyid jamil (karim would be better), not sayyida jamila. Your arabic is good though, the only reason I know the amount I know is because learning it has been my job since August 08, 7 hours/day, 5 days/week, nothing but arabic. It would be very difficult to pick up if you're not immersed in it. If you care for any advice or anything about pronunciation or translation, don't hesitate to ask.


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Seriously, those vets "claiming" to have PTSD are so friggen' gay. Losers couldn't hack it.
I'm really hoping you're joking. I know a few of those guys personally, and after hearing some of their stories, I don't know if I'd ever get a good night's sleep if I had seen what they'd seen or been through what they went through. One of my best Army buds volunteered in his off time at an Iraqi hospital for kids and has seen some very sad sights. He also lived downwind from a burn pit, which gave him multiple health issues, and was diagnosed with a brain tumor because of it also. Suicide is alarmingly high in the military right now, we've had 2 sessions about it over the last month or so.
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^^ I think he was being sarcastic.
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Yes, I am being sarcastic, very much so, to make a point.
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Okay cool, hard to tell over the internet sometimes.
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I would not be surprised if someone found a study that concluded that ex-soldiers and residents of violent neighborhoods had an increased occurrence of stress related conditions such as heart disease, etc.
There would be so many variables to account for that it wouldn't be a conclusive study. Exercise is a great way to relieve stress, so is meditating, and I am sure there are other ways. Plus the different psychological conditions...basicly would make a good paper, but wouldn't have any info that would mean anything.

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I do find it odd that a very high percentage of the death rate of our veterans, are within the first six months of their returning.
It is?

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Stress is a relative thing, what stresses you might not bother me a bit. The example of living in a bad neighborhood with gunfire, and high crime is a good one. If you where born into this, and had lived your entire life in that environment, it would not be as stressful to you as it would be some one that made a wrong turn and ended up there.
Iraqi people have lived under the threat of sudden death for the last 30 years, it has become quite normal. I witnessed this first hand a few years ago. June 2004, I was escorting an Iraqi threw the North ECP on Anaconda. We started taking heavy indirect fire (several rounds landing with in 100 yards of us), I was laying on the ground (highly stressed) trying to become one with the ground and a concrete divider, when I heard laughter. I look over and the Iraqi I was escorting is standing there pointing at me and laughing. I tried to get him to take cover, but he would not. He said if I live, or if I die it is Allah’s will (He was not stressed) .
I wasn't born into a bad neighborhood, I moved there to save up money so I could get a house in a good neighborhood. Maybe it didn't phase me just cause I had been in Iraq and been shot at before, and had bombs go off next to my HMMWV, but I wasn't bothered by it at all. I just ignored it.

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Just messing with you man, you did call me a beautiful girl (thank you ) but it's a simple mistake. You meant to say sayyid jamil (karim would be better), not sayyida jamila. Your arabic is good though, the only reason I know the amount I know is because learning it has been my job since August 08, 7 hours/day, 5 days/week, nothing but arabic. It would be very difficult to pick up if you're not immersed in it. If you care for any advice or anything about pronunciation or translation, don't hesitate to ask.




I'm really hoping you're joking. I know a few of those guys personally, and after hearing some of their stories, I don't know if I'd ever get a good night's sleep if I had seen what they'd seen or been through what they went through. One of my best Army buds volunteered in his off time at an Iraqi hospital for kids and has seen some very sad sights. He also lived downwind from a burn pit, which gave him multiple health issues, and was diagnosed with a brain tumor because of it also. Suicide is alarmingly high in the military right now, we've had 2 sessions about it over the last month or so.
When I was in Iraq, the suicide rate was the lowest it had been since Vietnam. War gives alot of people in the military purpose, and occupies most of their time, so they don't get time to be depressed and kill themselves. We had a guy in 2d Squadron 2d ACR(L) (I was in 1st Squadron) who killed himself after/on his first phone call home after 3 months. His wife had been cheating on him, and told him she wanted a divorce, so he (story varies) blew his brains out while on the phone with her, or immediately afterwards.
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