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Old 12-30-2008, 11:32 AM   #21
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I feel bad for the civilians, but thats the problem with Terrorists they hide among civilians.
If you think civilians haven't been targeted here and in the past by Israel you are fooling yourself. Bulldoze homes much?

Terrorism is a subjective term that's useful for alienating people and ending discussion and diplomacy and that's about it. "Terrorists" also wrap themselves in a flag.
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Maybe we should visit Hiroshima again...keep pissing on us until we bring the Holy Hand of God down upon thee. We have done it in the past...and it seems like that is what is being done today. Don't get me wrong...I am not taking sides - but I think it's wrong for Bush to take a side when the US did the same thing (within context) to Japan so long ago.

Fact is...we are having enough trouble keeping our economy in line...we should focus more attention to that and less attention to the other kids in the school yard. Just my opinion.
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Old 12-30-2008, 12:32 PM   #23
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If you think civilians haven't been targeted here and in the past by Israel you are fooling yourself. Bulldoze homes much?

Terrorism is a subjective term that's useful for alienating people and ending discussion and diplomacy and that's about it. "Terrorists" also wrap themselves in a flag.
Don't they bulldoze homes of those who supported the terrorists? They are hardly "civilians" if they take an active participation in supporting the enemy.

"La Resistance" in France during WWII was considered a terrorist organization by Germany.

What about the same Taliban and Bin Laden who we supported against the USSR in Afghanistan? They were considered terrorists by USSR at the time of that conflict. It's all about who's side someone is on.

Your either with us, or you are a terrorist.
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They are hardly "civilians" if they take an active participation in supporting the enemy.
I used to think this way...until you see it up close and then you realize - 80% of the time...the people are in fear for their lives. I still agree with you about the guilty parties...but keep in mind not all people harbor the terrorists because they themselves are also terrorists.

Children are running around with IED's and guns because mommy and daddy told them - but rules of war state NO CHILDREN are to be killed.

The rules changed...war isn't being made like it used to be :-)
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If you think civilians haven't been targeted here and in the past by Israel you are fooling yourself.
I feel bad for the civilians. Israeli civilians haven't been targeted?

I guess the next question would be, how should Israel respond? Or any nation respond to rockets from a neighboring city?

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I condemn this thread to Auschwitz.
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I feel bad for the civilians. Israeli citizens haven't been targeted?

I guess the next question would be, how should Israel respond? Or any nation respond to rockets from a neighboring city?
I guess my point was that BOTH sides instigate the violence. Whenever either side commits violence it is a response to something done by the other side.
How do I think they should respond? Take the moral highground and have patience and engage in diplomacy instead of perpetuating this adolescent crap. Oh yeah, and then give back the land you stole...
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I condemn this thread to Auschwitz.
Still not as bad as living in Texas....
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How about we take over Russia and give them that land instead?
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Still not as bad as living in Texas....
pretty much every women in Chicago weighed 900lb and ate hot-dogs and pretty much made me barf. Dropping the top in December > illinizle.
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How about we take over Russia and give them that land instead?
sounds fair to me
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i hope both sides kill each other. If you can't behave diplomatically, then kill yourselves.
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Old 12-30-2008, 04:18 PM   #33
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pretty much every women in Chicago weighed 900lb and ate hot-dogs and pretty much made me barf. Dropping the top in December > illinizle.
While that is obviously true...

http://shapleigh.org/system/news_art...2007_Final.pdf

I didn't realize how shitty Texas was.
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i hope both sides kill each other.
Im ok with that cause Israel will win, like every other instance.
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While that is obviously true...

http://shapleigh.org/system/news_art...2007_Final.pdf

I didn't realize how shitty Texas was.
Ha I love the environmental section. Hilarious. Poor Tejas.

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Im ok with that cause Israel will win, like every other instance.
Really? You're like some Israeli fanboi. It's nearly comical. At least look at it from a semi-unbiased stance. For instance, there are humans on both sides and they are nothing more than humans; jewish or not.
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Sidebar...did anyone else notice Obama stating we would withdraw from the Middle East if he got the Presidency...but the other day making a statement he would infuse more troops into the Middle East by the summer?
IIRC Obama wants to withdraw from Iraq and plus-up in Afghanistan. Neither of those is technically "middle east", at least not in any of the shops I've worked in.

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Are you talking about the Middle East or the US of A? There's some American Injuns that might take offense to your offense. Just sayin. Though you might need to replace "British" in the sentence above.

Frank
Why would they take offense? Of course I realize the USA was created (not "born") the same way almost. Starting with Columbus native populations from Haiti and throughout the Caribbean were slaughtered and enslaved, and it didn't stop with the pilgrims either once they landed. American Indians will be the first to point that out if you get them talking about it.

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Again your history is wrong, but I guess we should give back the US from your point of view? The native americans were here first...

What you are missing is at the same point Israel was created, Palestinians were given an opportunity to make their own nation, and they refused. I guess i am surprised that given how the world has formed and people have fought to create sovereign nations that somehow Israel should be exempt from that.

And the White Paper of 1939 disagrees with your assertion, in fact Britain wanted to limit Jewish immigration. In fact Arabs would have had to grant permission for Jewish immigration.
Again, yes, the Native Americans were here first. When did I say they weren't?

Recount for me, please, the terms under which the Palestinians were offered their own nation. Put yourself in the Palestinians' shoes and ask yourself if it seems fair. Recall that Muslims (the majority of Palestinians are Muslim) do not take kindly to their land being taken from them. One of the things UBL is upset with us about is our staging of troops on Saudi soil before ODS/ODS. Of all the places to seek a homeland...
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Recount for me, please, the terms under which the Palestinians were offered their own nation.
The Avalon Project : UN General Assembly Resolution 181
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Boil that down a bit, that's about 20 pages worth of material.
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Boil that down a bit, that's about 20 pages worth of material.
I am on my phone but cntl f and search for Arab should bring out the state formation stuff. It's early in the document
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Basically 2 states Jewish and Arabic with jeruselum controlled by the UN
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