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Old 05-16-2011, 01:05 PM   #1
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I was talking to a friend an emulator "system" and it got me thinking - what is the law regarding emulators? Say, for example, one were to build a PS2 replacement with upgraded specs, but it ran on Windows with an emulator.

Assuming the games are purchased legally, what is the legality of this? I would assume it's breaching a couple of copywrite laws because you're running games for a specific system on something other than that system.

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Everything you do can be construed as illegal if someone puts alot of time and money into it. That being said, I am sure that it is, because there are probably unique codes copyrighted for the use of the game.
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Thought I would share my idea since it's pretty cool (at least in my mind)

Build a basic computer using MicroATX components. Run a very minimalist version of XP (Such as tinyxp, with just the basics). Run some sort of media manager that starts on boot-up. Use the media manager to control different emulators.

List of supported things that I can think of:
NES/SNES
Gameboy/GBA
PS1
N64
Dreamcast
PS2
Wii

Pretty much anything there's an emulator for could be run off of it. Stick it in a plexiglass case and run an HDMI video cable to a TV or something. Use whatever controller you damn well please, since there's so many of them. I would use a 360 controller, just because I feel like that's the most comprehensive and well-designed controller that's out on the market today.

I priced it out, and it comes to around 360 bucks before shipping. This includes everything you need to build it except the case. Decently spec'd system. 2gb ram, i3 3.1ghz dual core, random mobo, Geforce GT 128 512mb 522mhz. CD/DVD drive, 500gb hdd.

Not really good by traditional computer standards, but it would have no problem running any of the emulators or games listed above. The nice thing about this is that it doesn't really have to be a good computer, it just has to have a powerful processor and decent video card.

I'll be building one when I can put the money together to get rid of the mess of councils I have right now. Best part is that I can use both "Backup" games and the games I have sitting on my shelf because most emulators nowadays are capable of using the CD drive.
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Lots of people do it. Usually they build an arcade box enclosure and hook up some sweet controllers + buttons so it looks like a coin op. The legality of emulators is precarious, but doesn't a copyright expire after a while? So like old school stuff like neo-geo, master system, nes, atari, etc, should be totally fine.

Personally though playing the games on an emulator/computer just isn't the same experience. I collect old school game systems and have a blast firing them up every once in a while. Nothing like having hand cramps from the horribly designed controllers. For leet sake here's my console list:
Turbo grafx 16
3DO
NES
SNES
Sega CDX
Sega Saturn
Atari Jaguar
Sony Playstation
PS2
Wii
Atari Lynx
Neo Geo Pocket Color
Original Gameboy
Gameboy Color
Tiger Game.com
Gameboy Advance
Nintendo Gamecube
Sega Master System
That's all I think...

I really want a Neo Geo.
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Started on this today. Harvesting parts from my semi-obsolete gaming computer.

Got TinyXP working. This **** is tiny.

Managed to get the PS2 emulator set up. Got the controller set up. Been playing P3 again, but my FFX disk is too scratched to salvage... ****.
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Started on this today. Harvesting parts from my semi-obsolete gaming computer.

Got TinyXP working. This **** is tiny.

Managed to get the PS2 emulator set up. Got the controller set up. Been playing P3 again, but my FFX disk is too scratched to salvage... ****.

cool rom.com?
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I built these in '99. Probably spent around $3000 total. Both are MAME emulators, use real 25" fixed frequency arcade monitors and arcade buttons/joysticks, contain low end computers running Win98DOS (boot to command line). Was a good project and can probably be built for next to nothing right now.



Legal stuff:
Yeah, I'm sure it is illegal but why are you worried about it? I doubt that Commodore is going to come after you for emulating a C64...
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Oh, one more thing. I think I can emulate most of the stuff you are wanting with my XBox1. I recently built another one so the prices are freash in my head. I bought the box for $35 at a pawn shop and paid $15 for a mod chip. So, for $50 and 60 minutes of work you would be well on your way to playing Zelda.

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My friend did the Xbox thing, I'm aware of it, but I already have the computer parts

Plus, custom case is so much cooler than an xbox... lol
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Plus, custom case is so much cooler than an xbox... lol
You're right, these XBoxes aren't cool at all:







A list of emulators for the XBox as of 2009. Probably a few more by now <G>:


>> AdamX
ColecoVision/Adam Emulator port for XBox.


>> Apple ][ Soul Captor
This is the first public release of this Apple ][ emulator for XBOX. By the way...it uses no XDK code.


>> ArnoldX
Emulates Amstrad CPC


>> Atari7800X
Atari7800X is an Xbox port of MESS, an Atari 7800 emulator.


>> AtariXLBox
AtariXLBox is a Atari 800/5200/130/320/XL/XE Emulator port for XBox.


>> BlissX
BlissX Intellivision Emulator port for XBox


>> BlueMSXBox
Emulates MSX/MSX2/MSX2+


>> Bochs
x86 (PC) emulator


>> CPX3
CPX3 is a Capcom Play System 3 emulator for Xbox1.


>> Centipede
Centipede emulator for Xbox build with OpenXDK.


>> DGen
DGen is a "Sega Genesis" Emulator for XBox.


>> DOSXBox
A port of DOSBox - a 286/386 PC Emulator - to XBox.
DOSBox emulates an Intel x86 PC, complete with sound, graphics, mouse, etc., necessary for running many old DOS games that simply cannot be run on modern PCs and operating systems


>> Daedalus X
Daedalus is a Nintendo64 emulator. Ported to Xbox by Hikaru


>> DaedalusX "LEAK"
DaedalusX "LEAK" is a N64 emulator for Xbox. Some games work, most dont. And no sound. Development has been stopped after the public leak of the executables.


>> DaphneX
Daphne is a Laserdisc Arcade Emulator for the Xbox.


>> Dega-X
It is a port of Dega , a Sega master system and the game gear emulator.


>> DegaBox
DegaBox is a Sega Master System / Mark III / Game Gear emulator for the XBox.


>> DreamSPEC (OpenXDK)
DreamSPEC is a Spectrum emulator that was build with the OpenXDK. Therefore it is legal to distribute.

>> eXtremeGB
eXtremeGB is a Gameboy/GBC emulator for the XBox.





>>Final Burn 1.1
This is a port of Final burn 0.517 and Final Burn Alpha,this emulator plays games that you wont find emulated anywhere else on the xbox like powerdrift,galaxy force2,turbo outrun...good emulation at 60fps even with 1080i hd enabled.also comes with a choice of software and hardware filters.


>>Final Burn Legends 1.3
This is a port of the pc version of Final burn alpha and has a lot of support for new games which were not included in final burn alphaxxx pro.
also plays in 480p,720p and 1080i hd modes,also includes video previews ans screenshot,marquees and loads of other display options.


>> FBA-X
FBAx is a port of FBA- an arcade emulator for CPS-1& CPS-2 arcade hardware. FBAx contains elements from MAME and Finalburn.


>> FBA-xxx Pro
FBA-xxx Pro is a port of FBA (emulator for MC68000/Z80, neogeo, cps2 and cps1 based arcade games).
FBA-xxx Pro is a a derivative build of FBAxxx(info), the main purpose of which is to add support for the latest and most accurate ROMsets available to the emulation scene. A great many changes and additions have been made to the rather outdated sets supported by the original build, including new parents, new clones, new bootlegs, support for both encrypted and decrypted Neo-Geo sets, as well as the latest CPS and other set updates from MAME. Alot of new code has been added to improve the accuracy of the emulation, there are some minor tweaks and bugfixes to the emulator itself, and a new default skin (a modified version of the excellent Fighter skin by Duracelleur) is included.
As of now the newest release for FBAXXXpro is version 1.29c by Kenshiro he has added a lot of new drivers to make new games playable on fbaxxxpro.


>> FBAxxx
fbaxxx is a port of FBA (emulator for MC68000/Z80, neogeo, cps2 and cps1 based arcade games).


>> FCEUltraX
FCE Ultra NES is a FDS "Famicom Disk System" NES "Nintendo Entertainment System" for XBox.


>> FMSXBox
A MSX/MSX2/MSX2+ emulator for Xbox.


>> Frodo-X
Frodo-X is a "Commodore 64" Emulator for Xbox.


>> FuseX
It is a port a Xbox port of FUSE, the Free Unix Spectrum Emulator, and will allow you to play ZX Spectrum software on your Xbox games console.
Features:
* Spectrum 48, 128, +2 & Pentagon emulation.
* Most snapshot formats supported.
* Rzx playback (for playing back replays of spectrum games).
* Snapshot quick save & load.
* Virtual keyboard.
* Mapping spectrum keys to joypad buttons.
* Kempston, Sinclair & cursor joystick emulation.
* USB keyboard support.

>GbaX
Early Gameboy/colour/advance emulator for xbox.

>> Gens-X
A Sega Mega CD , 32X & SRAM(BRAM) emulator.


>> Gens_xport
GENS is a Sega Genesis/Megadrive/32X/SegaCD/MegaCD Emulator ported by Xport.


>> Gnuboy
Gameboy/Gameboy Color emulator

HandyX
Early Atari lynx emulator for xbox.


>> HuGoX
HU-GO! PCE Emulator port for XBox v2


>> KI-Emu X
It's a port of of u64 V3.02 - a Killer Instinct 1 and 2 arcade emulator. This is LikkleBaer's little update to lantus' U64-X Emu project.


>> Kaster-X
KASTER-X is a SEGA MASTER SYSTEM videogame consolle emulator for XBOX.


>> Kawa-X
A Capcom CPS1, CPS2 and SNK NeoGeo emulator.


>> KegsX
Apple IIgs/e/c/+ Emulator port for XBox


>> KiXXX 1.0
KIxxx (Killer Instinct XXX) is an ultra 64 (yes the arcade one) emulator for XBOX, it only emulates KI1 and KI2. It is based on U64x from Lantus which is based on
U64PC.





>> Koleko-X
KOLEKO-X is a COLECOVISION Emulator.


>> LynXBox
Emulates Atari Lynx (Handy)


>> MAME-X
MAME-X is a Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator. When used in conjunction with a game's data files (ROMs), MAME-X will more or less faithfully reproduce that game on a Xbox. MAME-X can currently emulate over 1900 unique (and over 3300 in total) classic arcade video games from the three decades of video games - '70s, '80s and '90s.



>> MAMEdOX
MAMEdOX is a new port of MAME based on the MAMEoX project. It builds on what Bendermike did in his Bendermameox releases. MAMEdOX is based on "Bendermameox 21.01.05" and includes all his updates.

>> Coinops Epic r4
Coinops is an upgrade from mamedox1.1 with the different versions of coinops you get new additional features like 720phd,easy game selection and a very easy to use interface.also new games have been added to this emulator with driver work by iq 132 and britneyspairs,games such as osman,night slashers,skull fang...
Cores from other emulators have been added for example final burn legends,neogenesis,snes9xbox and so on.

>> MAMEoX
MAME port on Xbox,last version mameox 0.843b.

>>MAMEox128 plus
This mame emu is an upgrade from mameox0.843b which was worked on by hk$.this version of mame gives you more options than coinops.
As of now Coinops ignite,Bendermameox and Mameox128 plus are the newest versions of mame for xbox.

>> MednafenX-Lynx
This is an Atari Lynx emulator for the Xbox ported from mednafen.

>> MednafenX-NES
This is an NES/Famicom Disk System/VS UniSystem emulator for the Xbox ported from mednafen.


>> MednafenX-PCE
This is an PC-Engine/TurboGrafx-16/SuperGrafx/Arcade Card CD/CD/SCD emulator for the Xbox ported from mednafen.


>> MekaX
a Sega Master System/Game Gear/SG-1000/SC-3000/SF-7000/MK3 emulator for Xbox. It's a port of MEKA.



>> NeoCD/SDLx
NeoCD/SDLx is a Xbox port of the NeoCD/SDL neogeo CD emulator.
It is capable of running many original Neogeo CD games.
Xbox port based on v0.20 sources.
Features
* Only reads real NeoGeo CD's
* Full CDDA audio
* Sound support
* 1/2 Player Support
* AdvanceMame2x, Simple2x, SuperSai2x, SuperEagle, Scanline Filters
* Region Selection
* Memory Card support
* Source code released

>> neocdsdlx unleashed
NeoCD/SDLx is a Xbox port of the NeoCD/SDL neogeo CD emulator, based on NeoCD/SDLx by Lantus. It is capable of running many original Neogeo CD games.
The "only" new compared to Lantus' port is iso/mp3 support.




>> NeoGenesis
NeoGenesis Sega Genesis/Megadrive/32X/SegaCD/MegaCD Emulator


>> NeoPop-X
NGPC (neogeo pocket color) emulator for xbox.


>> NeoPopX
NEOPOP NGPC (neogeo pocket color) port for XBox


>> Nester X
Nester X is a NES "Nintendo Entertainment System" emulator for the Xbox. (Port from PC)


>>NestopiaX 1.0
Nestopiax is a port of nestopia the NES/NES FDS emulator to xbox by nes6502.
this is the most accurate nes emulator on xbox and comes with a tonne of options,including cheats,preview vids,psynosis and a lot more besides.


>> OdysseyX
Emulates Odyssey 2


>> Oswan-X
A wonderswan emulator ported by Hikaru.


>> PCSXBox
A port of the PCSX emulator to Xbox. It emulates the Playstation1 console.


>> PJ64-X
PJ64-X is the first ever working N64 Emulator with sound support. based on Project 64 sources.


>> RDX
rdx (at this point at least) is a collection of new (but comparitivly) basic emulator ports along with very basic dashboard like functionallity.
The primary aim of releasing this is to try and stimulate the xbox homebrew dev community a little as things seem to be quieting down a bit lately.
You are encouraged to make as many changes to the code as you want and submit them back to us for inclusion in a future version.
There are a few, hopefully non-restrictive, licencing type rules at the top of dash.cpp about what you can and can't do with the source to team xos developed code. They are not there to limit what you can do with the code but more to ensure that you release the modified source to any released binaries to help the development community. Certain parts of the code written outside of Team XOS have slightly more restrictive licences but please always follow the licence the original developers have assigned to there code.
Everything is more than basic in this current version but features are:
* Emulates Snes, Nes, sms, megadrive
* Configurable rom, application and game paths via XML config file
* Dashboard style app launching
* The skelton code for some other features


>> SC3X
SC3X v0.01 is a SEGA SG-1000 videogame console emulator for XBOX.


>> SMSPlusX
SMSPlus is a "Sega Master System" emulator for the Xbox. (PC Port)


>> SarienX
SarienX is a Sierra AGI interpreter engine. You can find
more info at
Código:
http://anonym.to?http://sarien.sourceforge.net/
. In real terms this application will play many of the old Sierra adventure games including Leisure Suit Larry 1, Kings Quest 1, 2 and 3 and others.
While XBochs does a fair job at this - this is a much better solution.


>> ScummVM Xbox
A port of ScummVM for the Xbox. Allows playing games based on LucasArts' Scumm (Script Creation Utility for Maniac Mansion) system.


>> ScummVMx
A port of ScummVM for the Xbox. Playing games based on LucasArts' SCUMM (Script Creation Utility for Maniac Mansion) system.


>> Snes9XBox
SNES9XBox Super Nintendo Emulator for XBox v1 by Xport


>> Snes9x X
Port of Snes9x (SNES emulator) by Hikaru.


>> SpeXtrum
SpeXtrum is a ZX Spectrum emulator written from scratch for the XBOX, it is not a port of any existing emulator.


>> Stella
Stella Atari 2600 Emulator for XBox.


>> Surreal64
Surreal 64 is a Nintendo 64 emulator for the xbox which combines three Windows based Nintendo 64 emulators that have been ported to the Xbox. These emulators are 1964, Project64 and UltraHLE.
By porting three emulators we aim to improve the overall compatibility of the emulator.
Features:
- Three N64 emulators in one
- Greater compatibility/speed and flexibility
- Virtual Memory for Roms
- Per-Game Settings
- Mempack support
- Rumblepack support
- EEPROM/Sram support
- Savestate support
- Skinable GUI
- Edit filters


>> U64-X
This is the Xbox port of u64 - Killer Instinct 1 and 2 arcade emulator


>> UAE-X
UAE-X is a port of the famous Amiga emulator UAE to the X-Box platform.


>> Uvba (Unofficial)
Uvba is a excelent "Game Boy Advance" Emulator for the Xbox. Made by the same person that coded NesterX and SNES9X TV over to the Xbox.


>> Vice20X
Vice20X Commodore VIC-20 Emulator port for XBox


>> Vice64X
Vice64X Commodore 64 Emulator port for XBox


>> VicePETX
VicePETX Commodore PET Emulator port for XBox.


>> WinSTonX
WinSTon is an Atari ST Emulator


>> WinUAEX
WinUAEX is an Amiga Emulator.


>> WonderSwanX
WonderSwanX WonderSwan Emulator port for XBox


>> X68000X
Emulates X68000


>> XBoyAdvance
GBA/GBC/GB/SGB/SGB2 Emulator for XBox


>> XMugen-linux
XMugen–linux is not an xbox port of M.U.G.E.N, it’s a mini linux distro reduced to it’s minimum in order to launch mugen on Xbox.


>> XNES
XNES is a NES "Nintendo Entertainment System" emulaor for the Xbox.



>> XPCE-X
XPCE-X is a PC-Engine emulator.


>> XSupervision
XSupervision is an Xbox port of potator, a supervision emulator.
Supervision was one of the system that arise following the nintendo Game Boy.
It look like a little bit like an original game boy and the game are a lot more simpler than gameboys one.


>> XVBoy
XVboy is a Virtual Boy emulator: the failed attempt from nintendo to make a kind of "virtual reality" game system.
Graphics and controller are emulated.
3D graphics can be emulated with 3D red & blue rendering: it means that you need red & blue glasses.
Original source code was using allegro which is not available on xbox: some hacks were needed to port it !


>> Xenesis
Xenesis is another port of Gens (a Sega Genesis/Megadrive, 32X and Sega CD emulator) by Carcharius.


>> Xmac
Xmac is an xbox port of minivmac, a mac plus emulator.
The screen, keyboard and disk drive are emulated.
The keyboard is emulated using a virtual keyboard.

>> xSnes9x
Ported by Lantus ... this is a good Super Nintendo Emulator for the Xbox. Runs at a good speed with lots of features. Also supports almost all of the roms out there



>> Xthom
Xthom is an xbox port of Thom, a thomson to7-70 emulator by Sylvain Huet and eric Botcazou.
The thomson to7-70, joystick, lightpen, k7 reader and sound are emulated.
thomson keyboard s emulated using a virtual keyboard.


>> Xvectrex
Xvectrex is a port of vecx, a vectrex emulator.


>> Xzx81
Xzx81 is an xbox port of Xz81, a zx81 emulator.


>> Z26X
Z26 Atari 2600 Emulator port for XBox.


>> ZsnexBox
This is a port of the Zsnes Super Nintendo emulator to Xbox by Nes6502,this emulator has a tonne of features including preview videos,cheats database,720p/1080i hd options.The last release was version 3.6 and this for many is the best snes emulator on xbox.
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