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Old 05-12-2008, 02:33 PM   #1
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I was cruising on ebay, and found this kit:

If that would work with my miata I would definitely do it, and after reading the question from another ebayer at the bottom, I wonder if it is possible that by raising compression with a turbo setup, and using an ethanol mixture and setup similar to this, we could get an amazing turbo setup with even better gas mileage?
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Don't loose your time with Ethanol. It's just environmentalist ****. Final. It's not better than normal gas as everyone is pleased to believe.
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the use of ethanol and raising compression would most likely still net worse gas mileage. I'm fairly happy with a 25-30mpg 250rwhp miata.
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ethanol is a crock of **** used to brainwash sheep into spending more money on fuel and to make other sheep believe it's "good" for the enviornment.
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ethanol is a crock of **** used to brainwash sheep into spending more money on fuel and to make other sheep believe it's "good" for the enviornment.
Ana it also deplete the corn market for the animal food and your Green Giant Corn Can will cost you twice soon enough
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Don't loose your time with Ethanol. It's just environmentalist ****. Final. It's not better than normal gas as everyone is pleased to believe.
Define "better". It's definitely better for making power on a turboed car with a standalone ECU. The octane rating is much higher, so if you have the injectors, can raise boost and can add fuel, you'll make a lot better power than 93 pump. Been proven time and time again. Sure mileage will suck, but E85 is better for performance assuming you can use the added octane.

I'm talking E85 here.

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you also need like 10000000cc injectors.
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Ana it also deplete the corn market for the animal food and your Green Giant Corn Can will cost you twice soon enough
...which is contributing to the price hike on a lot of other food prices. Im not some politician though, i have my ideas on how this whole ethanol/corn production/higher fuel prices are causing everything else to go up.
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Also, i once saw a article explaining how tobacco plants can also be used for biofuels. Now, if the corn ethanol could be combined with tobacco-based fuel, then that could make for a good substitute for regualr gasoline, but leave my premium gasoline alone!
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ethanol is old new. **** went out with the model-t ford.... way to reach for the future when solving crisises.
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you also need like 10000000cc injectors.
That's where owning a Suby was nice. WRX injectors you could cut the caps off your 560s and have 800cc and the STI injectors you could either mod them if you had good tools to increase the size of the holes in the caps, or send them out for $125 and get them modded to 816cc.

660 or 750 would probably do for most of the turbos on this forum.

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1badmx5 had pretty good results with ethanol, all be it with 1600cc injectors.

Current bio-ethanol is kind of fucked, but the cellulose stuff utilizing more of crops thats being developed may have some hope. I for one would rather end up with a new generation of bio-ethanol cars with 20:1 compression ratios in small engines with turbos, than more hybrids or cars that still use gasoline just at even higher prices.
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i love my red car, it's the opposite of green.
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1badmx5 had pretty good results with ethanol, albeit with 1600cc injectors.
He made 471 RWHP on the 1000s before switching to the 1600s.
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E85 does have a octane rating of RON 102. thats pretty good.
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my corn fed steak is getting expensive
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So no one believes you can use an 80% ethanol and 20% water mixture for better efficiency?
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better efficiency, yes. better gas mileage, no.
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better efficiency, yes. better gas mileage, no.
How is that possible? If you aren't using more of the power, wouldn't the better efficiency equate to better mileage?
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anyone here ever thought of making their own ethanol moonshine style, supposedly a 100 gallon mash will make 10 gallons of e100 and cost around $1.50/gallon. plus it will get you nice and drunk
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