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ahaha wtf.

Corky, badass intercoolers btw.
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Corky threw out an own, i just thought delicately i would point it out.
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Please read below, me and few of the Miata community are waiting for your pics.

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First of many lies. You showed up to pick up the car on June 20th. The car was dyno'd and ready to go home on June 13th. That is when I called you.

Negative, I have your emailed invoice sent the day you called me. The day I dropped in AFTER you said the car was completed. Who gives a **** if I dropped in and didn't tell you I was coming, the car was supposed to be completed.

So you did not get the parts, did not need the parts, did not pay for the parts - yet you expect me to send it after the fact? Classy....

WTF, are you talking about? You wouldn't know what part is needed for roadracing if it bit you in your stinky office.

As I established dates earlier, you were a week late in picking the car up. It was no longer clean. While we were waiting on you, we did do other things with the car while it was here. We measured for stock IC tube replacements, and we test fit a 99 downpipe on it to check for differences. So were there tools in the engine bay? Would not surprise me. Tim is well known for doing that.

A week late my ***, I was there in 3 hours flat from the time of your call. Why would I wait a week to pick up a car you've had for 3 months? I have the Enterprise receipt to prove the date matches the invoice sent through email. I have a job that lets me leave anytime and go anywhere, this can be confirmed by 10 miataturbo.net members. Why would I wait, the people that know me know your lying.


According to my pictures of the car, the air box was installed when it went home. It had to be there in order to hold an intercooler tube. Also, we have never installed a boost gauge but left the gauge mount off. Next Lie?

Negative, you just had the tube laying in there resting on loose wires. Please post the picture of my car with the box I didn't recieve...lol

You informed me of the Forge valve, yes. I shipped you a Forge valve. It was sent UPS and signed for. About the downpipe, I have no recollection of a stainless downpipe. All S kits get a mild steel downpipe. Either way, you did not pay for one.

You shipped me a couple of couplers that were missing, no dv, pillar pod, or anything else that was supposed to be on the car. You have no recollection because you either didn't listen to me in your office, didn't listen to what Corky told you, or lost the build sheet.

Your checklist is flawed. I have on the invoice a GT2860. We would NEVER EVER install a GT2871 on an MSM, running stock boost levels, with stock ECU programming.

Yes, you did. I know what turbo was on my car. This isn't even being questioned. The car ran fine @ 10lbs on the stock ecu, verified by several sessions with a tail pipe sniffer. This turbo has been seen by several miataturbo.net members. You can't even get the turbo right on the invoice...lol

Do I look stupid?

Yes

Again, no recollection of the stainless downpipe, but now it was supposed to be a separated gases one too?

Yes

you did get stainless lines. You did get a new turbo inlet and two new turbo outlet tubes. So you did receive some new intercooler tubing. We never made or promised to make a whole new set of MSM intercooler tubes.

OK? But you did...the pipes aren't even in question. They were nice.

It was discussed, but never agreed upon. A tune box was not needed, never promised, nor charged for. As evidenced by the dyno sheets.

WTF does a dyno sheet prove about optimizing a tune...your an idiot.

The air scooper was installed according to my photographs as well. We did not charge you for the air scooper. The air box was also installed. We did not charge you for the air box either.

Show me either of these please, please, please. You are a bold face liar. I'm glad you posted up a flat out lie! Show me the pics, I can't wait to see these. Remember my car had some very distinctive marks on the front. I hope your photoshop skilz are up to date...lol

The heat shield is a new one also. No S kit comes with heat shields. Either way, not installed nor were you billed for one.

My car was supposed to be dynoed straight S-kit and then my upgraded parts added. Hence why you never called me after the dyno session...it wasn't ready.

The Forge valve was not on the car when you picked it up. We did ship it to you. If someone lost it after delivery, that is not my fault. In fact, I remember a phone call from you in which you stated you receive the valve, and you thanked me for send it to you. We discussed how it was a direct drop in piece.

Never happened

Yet another lie. UPS says otherwise. Your phone call indicates the contrary also.

You tape phone calls? Play it back then. The UPS receipt says Forge Valve verified by UPS? Or was it the couplers?

Gosh, you can't do math either? According to all kits sales from 3/08 to 10/08, the '99 BEGI S system sold for $1735 retail. No FMU has ever been included on a BEGi-S kit for a 99+ year car.

Exactly, why you were going to include your zoom3 box. The one you said would be ready, that still isn't 2 years later...lol

So that price was retail, and did not include an FMU. Why you think it does, I have no idea. (You think and do lots of stuff that makes no sense.) You paid $1569.25 for this kit. I'd say then that you did get a discount.

After you sold $350 in parts off my car you moron. If you were so detailed on the invoice then the GT28 would have been itemized...no?

I am sorry you do not think that your discount was appropriate, but at my cost, that is all there was. If I can't go any lower on the price, I can't go any lower. Also listed on the invoice was the stainless line upgrade. In which you paid 27% off of the retail price.

Thanks for the 27% off a line on a kit that was supposed to be at cost. Which isn't even a deal if you had actually done it at cost due to the full coverage insurance and car payment while it sat there for 3 months.

We charged you for a dual gauge mount. Sold at 12% off of retail price. You were also billed for a Forge Valve. At 12% off of retail price also.

Thanks for the discount and charge for parts never recieved. Please show me a pic of the parts installed.

Also, included in the kit price was the $200 up charge for the larger turbo. So, did you get billed erroneously? Um, no. If you think so, go back and do the math again. I saved you over $600. Plus free installation. Go ahead, whine and cry some more.


You had my cell phone #. You could not call me? I have no record of e-mails or said phone calls.

Really, you said you did above? I've never had your cell number. Feel free to post it up.

At the time Retail Prices were:
BEGI-S $1735.00 (no FMU)

The FMU came in the kit, I looked at it many times. Are you talking about the 99-up kit? That price sounds high due to the lack of the fmu. I believe the kit was $100 cheaper, since that is your actual cost on the item.

Stainless downpipe $150
SS SG DP $250 (gotta get straight which one you were supposed to get now, and also include the supposed coating!)

The conversation was on mild steal with coating vs SS. You stated that the SS had all of the same benefits of coating mild steal and was the same price after coating so no reason to go mild steal to keep heat out.

Upgraded turbo $200
Stainless return line $35

A-pillar mount $21.99
Forge valve $150.
Cool Air Box $178
Air Scooper $150.

Never recieved



Retail total: $2334.99 (downpipe excluded since you can't decide which one it was you were supposed to get.)

I think my total is more accurate, and actually higher.

But lets look at what you were billed for, once again.
BEGI-S $1569.28
Stainless downpipe - did not get one, did not pay for it either.
SS SG DP - did not get one, did not pay for one either
Upgraded turbo - No charge
Stainless return line - did not get one, did not pay for it either.
A-pillar mount - you paid $17.15
Forge valve - You paid $117
Cool Air Box - No charge
Air Scooper - No charge
Total: $1820.40.
Sold turbo < $350>
Sales tax $106.60.

Please explain to everyone again just exactly where it was you got hosed? $2335 worth of parts for $1820?

WOW, thats a great deal if I had recieved the parts.


The BEGI-S never included an FPR for this year car.

Hence your zoom3 you promised...

The delivery receipt and your phone call are evidence to the contrary. Again, the stainless downpipe I know nothing about.

What? What phone call? Where are you listening to all these tapes, post them up on youtube for all.

Could the parts have been overlooked? Sure. Anything is possible. One or two items maybe. This many, not likely.

More than likely, your BEGi, its what you do...


We owe you nothing!

After how many sales these replies from you and Corky have lost, well I guess your right.

You did not pay for a stainless downpipe, SG or not. You did not pay for an FPR, nor was it included in that kit, EVER.

Don't be a dumbass on purpose. The FPR was used as an example of how you charged me. It was supposed to get a zoom3 thats still not completed 2 years later that was supposed to retaill for the FPR price.

The forge valve has a delivery confirmation on it. I can't fake that one. Also, my photos show the cool air box and air scooper installed.

Again, I'd like to see these smoking gun photo's lol.

But, you did not pay for those either. On the gauge mount, you story is highly unlikely. I do not let cars leave here with a boost gauge hanging out of the a-pillar.

I had already installed it in the drivers side air vent. The line was rerouted when you installed your parts and fried on the way home.

Well Duh, this downpipe was never posted online. We never sold the BEGI-S kit for an MSM. After doing business with you, we washed our hands of the product. We were left with that much of a bad feeling about the whole situation.

Really, thats the story? How about I took all your test pipes for the car and you didn't have any to make a jig off of...You let angry clients dictate which kits you make? Your full of ****!


I was never informed of any of this. Again, you had my cell phone #. You could not call? Also, the compressor surge could be attributed to a lousy stock valve. Again, we sent the Forge valve, after it was signed for, I am not responsible if you loose it, sell it, etc.


Oh did I now? As I recall, you showed up two weeks early.

What? That doesn't even make since. You were probably drugged up and sick at the time.

I had no parts built, then had to take you to town to pick up a rental car. You had the rental car all arranged, but not the drop off time for your MSM? Interesting. I have never had anyone show up early or unscheduled to drop off a car, except you. And you readily admit that you showed up unannounced to pick up the car, thus requiring another surprise trip to town to return the rental car, during rush hour traffic.

Yes, I showed up unannounced. I get this weird itch on my left ear when I'm getting screwed. You called stating the car was done and ready to pick up. My ear itched. I showed up to pick up car. I got a sweet business model for you, when a car is ACTUALLY done, then call to and tell them the TRUTH and get paid.


Ah, the first piece of truth I have heard yet. Chances are I was sick at the time.


Wait a minute - I though you were supposed to get a GT2871? Make up your mind for crying out loud. Is my office trashed? No. Messy, yes. I thrive in organized chaos. Had I known you were coming, I might have cleaned up a little. Ever think about that?

STFU

Besides, your story about my trash can of an office means little to me. You drop off the car after having wrecked it!

I will not go into detail about this until you post your pics of my car with the scooper and airbox as promised

The front bumper was falling off. The bumper is also rubbing on the tire. I clearly remember the air scooper being used to hold the damn bumper on. Your car was trashed. Dirty and smelled. Who wrecks their car, does not fix it, then spends $2K on a new turbo? Certainly would not be my car!

My car is not as described, but if it was who gives a ****. Should we all have our cars pro detailed before we drop them off to you? The car was dropped off after a Mexican dust storm hit Corpus, but who gives a ****...hose it off if you cared?


I called on the 13th. Car was done. Dyno sheet to prove it. No lies there.

Reason you never called after dyno above. I actually had no idea you had it on the dyno a week before the call. Thanks for doing absolutly nothing to it for a week, while I waited for the third month.


So now the downpipe is supposed to get heat coated? Ok, that is a new one. Never know about that either. We have ceramic coated one downpipe in 6 years. I clearly remember it, because we never do it. Again, please get your story straight.

Stated above.


So is my sister. Did I ever mention she works for an attorney? I have had enough of your lies, trash, and libel talk for the last two years. Keep it up and you might get to meet this attorney. If I deserved the criticism, I would say "sorry, I will do better next time". But in your case, you have gone over the deep end here.

I hope this goes to court, maybe the judge will order you to clean the cat hair off your customer chairs, clean your office, tell the truth, etc. Nice threat by the way.

Gosh, do I have any good qualities at all?

IDK, I'm not your boyfriend or Dad. Ask them for positive reinforcment.


You make it sound as if I have really practiced my urinary olympics in your Wheaties bowl. I sleep just fine at night. I do not screw customers over, and apparently, I can remember prices better than you, and do not claim to have had discussions about stuff that was not true.

As for me being sick, that much is true. But damn it, it is absolutely NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS that I have stage 1 COPD. I do not go around advertising it because I deal with it. Life goes on. I spend 6-7 months a year sick with bronchitis and/or pneumonia. I am sick right now. But you know what, where do you get off getting pissy about me being sick? Are you in-humane? Have no sympathy? You should. You keep smoking and you will walk in my shoes some day. Then you can come back to me and gripe about me being sick again. Grow up.

Its sad that you have a condition, it doesn't excuse you from being a liar.

to be continued....

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Jake, I sort of thought my ramblings about Margaritas were just part of the fun. Sorry you think I must be boozed up all the time. I must admit, a six pack of Tecate is my favorite snack. That's just the morning break, I get serious at lunch with stuff that would kill you kids. Evenings are no holds barred. Somebody needs to keep the booze suppliers in business and I like to think I'm doing my fair share. We all have our responsibilities and heros; Stirling Moss, Jose Quervo, Juan Fangio, Mr. Bacardi, Schumacher, Old man Corona, young Mr. Vettel, Wild Turkey, Niki Lauda, Fosters, Sir Brabham, The Scots Stewart and Clark, our own Mr's Hill and Gurney, and, of course, our own Lone Star Beer.

Sorry, I got carried away. Someone might think I'm serious.

In my best judgement, your character has shown through and clearly noted to be lacking. Stephanie's well documented response is spot on. I offered to discuss the matter and you called me a drunk. (please note above for evidence...) While not enthused about trying to one up on insults, may I just suggest you go find some other group to pester.

Frank, is there any merit in having the only '99+ engine management that can pass a state inspection? Or, what about the MX5? Clearly, we have the only tuning solution for it. We also have the safest/fastest MX5 forced induction system. It is a huge hoot to think we out did Cosworth. Clearly, we did. We sure have lots of man/girl hours invested in these. Sitting on our thumbs is not high on our list.

Savington; I am somewhat surprised that you are "proud" of not having any component of mine on your racer. I am not concerned that you use my pieces, but "proud" that you don't is certainly of some concern. Over the years, at least with folks over 30, I think I have acheived a position of "no bullshit". Goodness, you may step forward as the first person I can recall that suggests I am full of bull. Clearly, that concerns me, as you don't seem to be full of same.

When you think you need a few more ponies, perhaps our 20th generation intake manifold might help. It sure took a bunch of tries. Nine pounds lighter, too.

Downpipe might offer a bit of help too. A little more science applied to intercooling may also offer a tick. Shameless plug number 1007: bellintercoolers.com

Corky
Do you honestly think that your reply on Miata.net was acceptable? Honestly it made you look like an idiot, which you aren't. Wether you believe me or not. Wether you planned on owning up to any of this or not. A simple reply

Jake, I apologize for any confussion, lets talk about it tomorrow and hash out where this went wrong.


Would have made your company look 100% respectable, wether I was happy or not after the discussion. Instead it was more of your famous ramblings, you remind me of Jim Daniels of spec miata fame. Smart guy, but he isn't writing my biography...
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wow! last time i looked at this there were 2 pages. i must say, i think stephanie made her post a little too long for her own good. it was sooo long that she contradicted herself a couple times on a few items. and i can honestly say that jacob drove straight to my shop after he picked up the car to show it off, and he DID NOT have a begi air scoop, or an air box. (both items i wanted to see because i was thinking of buying them) i also know that he didn't have a forge dv, or a pillar pod. he never got one either. he already had a boost gauge installed in his driver's side vent, but he has a gland problem and sweats like o.j. up for murder 1. so he wanted the pillar to get more ac on his sweaty pits. okay, maybe he doesn't have a gland problem, but ha already had his boost guage installed before he went to begi. i don't see anywhere in his post where he said the boost gauge was left hanging. but i wouldn't expect stephanie to remember that, she was just jumping to conclusions. i must also say that my car has an o.g. begi kit. my buddy went and spoke to corky back in '99 before deciding to get his kit. luckily, he just picked up the parts because he didn't have the time to leave it at the shop. (it was his only car) we put the kit on over a weekend. my car now has 100k turbo'd miles, and 200k miles on the chassis. the orig. manifold is still on there. parts are good, but just do the work yourself is the lesson to be learned form this epic fail thread.
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I appreciate that everyone wants resolution or something, but this is just a big nasty he-said-she-said-corky-said and somehow I doubt it is going to be resolved here.
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I've personally been to there shop a few times. I've seen firsthand their work and have also purchased my intake kit from them. The intake kit is great, absolutely love it. When I got it though there were a few clamps that didn't fit. It irritated me but not enough to do anything about it.
If I do not know something is missing, or is incorrect, how can I fix it? My crystal ball is cracked. I would have appreciated a phone call telling me what was going on.

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As for seeing their shop and everything I was a bit surprised. There was literally crap everywhere. In the office, out in the shop, even behind the shop. It definately wasn't what I was expecting. I saw one gentlemen working on a rollbar for some NA. It took him all morning and part of the afternoon to get 1 bar cut and fitting well but no welding it on. I was blown away it took that long.
I was going to let this go, but the more I thought about it the more it irritated me. First of all, yes there is alot of "crap" around here. This building houses three separate manufacturing businesses, and the miscellaneous paraphernalia associated with each. We have older vehicles parked out back. One of which is mine, and the other a good friend of ours. He parks it here and works on it on weekends. As for the shed, yeah there is crap back there too. Storage of old parts, where we store Corky's old Mercedes and Mercedes parts, a friend left his boat back there (don't have the heart to tell him to move it as he is dealing with Kidney cancer), and some other crap that needs to be thrown away. We do go thru it about every six months and throw some of the stuff out. High school kids are great help there.

We also leave parts up front until they get inspected, put up, or shipped. That is a system we find works for us. Sorry if it irritates everyone.

As for taking all day to fit up a piece on a roll bar... Sorry, but that is an entire roll cage he was fitting up, and not the only bar he was working on. And not the only part we were working on at the time on that car. It was getting the frame rails fixed under the car, new frame rail covers made, new rear end suspension stuff fixed, etc. Does Billy like to talk, yeah he does. But that is not all he was working on. And if he is waiting on a response from the customer to complete something, where is that his fault for taking so long to get it done?

We have office cats, more than we need, but we will keep them around anyway. Before the cats we had a huge mice problem. I would come in the office and find 10-15 mice in a trash, can each morning. Fairly normal problem for being in the country, as we are. Then some feral cats showed up. We feed them, get them fixed, and let them be. The mice have not come back. The kittens that were born (before we could get the mommies fixed) were tamed and adopted out. We did keep some from the last litter, and also some that were not friendly enough to be adopted out. We still feed them, and give them a safe place to live. Call us softy's, but we did not have the heart to put them down. We will not get rid of them just because some people who visit do not like them.

And lastly, we are nice enough to open our doors to local Miata folks who want to work on their cars. They take up shop space and use our tools - and we do not charge them a penny. I am not mad at you or anything like that. I think you are a nice guy, and an awesome friend to someone when he needed help. Please don't be so quick to criticize when there may be other stuff going around here and you just don't know about it.
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wow! last time i looked at this there were 2 pages. i must say, i think stephanie made her post a little too long for her own good. it was sooo long that she contradicted herself a couple times on a few items. and i can honestly say that jacob drove straight to my shop after he picked up the car to show it off, and he DID NOT have a begi air scoop, or an air box. (both items i wanted to see because i was thinking of buying them) i also know that he didn't have a forge dv, or a pillar pod. he never got one either. he already had a boost gauge installed in his driver's side vent, but he has a gland problem and sweats like o.j. up for murder 1. so he wanted the pillar to get more ac on his sweaty pits. okay, maybe he doesn't have a gland problem, but ha already had his boost guage installed before he went to begi. i don't see anywhere in his post where he said the boost gauge was left hanging. but i wouldn't expect stephanie to remember that, she was just jumping to conclusions. i must also say that my car has an o.g. begi kit. my buddy went and spoke to corky back in '99 before deciding to get his kit. luckily, he just picked up the parts because he didn't have the time to leave it at the shop. (it was his only car) we put the kit on over a weekend. my car now has 100k turbo'd miles, and 200k miles on the chassis. the orig. manifold is still on there. parts are good, but just do the work yourself is the lesson to be learned form this epic fail thread.
I tend to side with Jacob on this one. My limited dealings with BEGI have involved poor communication, lack of returned calls, and sent (and billed) items that I never ordered. They are EXTREMELY unorganized. Corky is great though.
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I appreciate that everyone wants resolution or something, but this is just a big nasty he-said-she-said-corky-said and somehow I doubt it is going to be resolved here.
I agree with you completely. Jake should have resolved this after taking the car home. Not two years later, after the warranty ended, and after having sold the car. I know what I know, and I won't loose any sleep over Jake making accusations this late in the game. He can call me every name in the book, but it won't change anything.

I earned my right to be here, and no one can say differently. If they do, they are not an informed individual. I am pretty damn good at what I do. Sure. Do the steroids I take daily make me forgetful? Like you would not believe. I have learned to cope though. I take detailed notes and write everything down. Are we a little unorganized? To a point. This is not some huge warehouse like Summit Racing or Jeg's. We will always have people complain about mistakes made from employees that are no longer here. And there were several, I can't deny that. We don't see as many of those problems as we used to due to the extra checks we have added to fix things. If someone has an issue, they should contact us for resolution. We cannot fix it if we do not know it is a problem. That is not an unreasonable request of any customer. And in Jake's case, Corky offered to discuss it (even two years after the fact), he declined. End of story.
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