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Old 02-15-2008, 07:10 PM   #101
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Wow, you work with retards. Aren't you being a little elitist? I guess you are the only non-retarded one there!

Do you believe the people you teach don't deserve an education due to their mental retardation.



More elitist bullshit. So you believe that none of these people, students, campus security or your colleagues are intelligent enough or qualified to carry a hand gun?

In Texas, I could park at my university with my gun in the car (just like everyone else.) Our campus security had guns, and we had about 30,000 students as well. We also had no campus shootings! Hmmmm, how could that be? I even knew one off-duty officer who was a student that carried his gun to class. Still... No shootings.



LOL, I don't think either of us wants to drink the others kool-aid. I think it's fine that you stand by your beliefs, but it doesn't make them any less wrong.

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Maybe I'm being somewhat harsh and speaking in sweeping generalizations. Perhaps some of them are capable of carrying firearms. But I'm not about to arm everyone to find out.

I may be wrong (in your mind) but at least I don't live somewhere I feel I have to carry a gun ... for whatever reason. Are you telling me that you'd rather live in a society that requires everyone to carry guns to feel safe?
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Old 02-15-2008, 07:16 PM   #102
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guesse you have never been in a bad postion. if you make it KNOWN you have a gun, people change their tone really quick. just placing it on the dashboard where the person/people that plan on doing harm SEE you do it goes a LONG way. it has saved me and my dads asses a few times while working (repoing cars). the people that was going to try and take a car back or even the car and the repo truck suddenly just turn and walk away.
And if the other guy has a gun? Can you end someone's life with out hesitation? Can the other guy? Do you REALLY want to find out?

Stakes are too high for me. Adding in a gun takes things to a level most people are not prepared to go.
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And if the other guy has a gun? Can you end someone's life with out hesitation? Can the other guy? Do you REALLY want to find out?

Stakes are too high for me. Adding in a gun takes things to a level most people are not prepared to go.
but a person already commiting a felony has already "raised the stakes" that high. if they are robbing you, they have no doubts about hurting or killing you.
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Maybe I'm being somewhat harsh and speaking in sweeping generalizations. Perhaps some of them are capable of carrying firearms. But I'm not about to arm everyone to find out.

I may be wrong (in your mind) but at least I don't live somewhere I feel I have to carry a gun ... for whatever reason. Are you telling me that you'd rather live in a society that requires everyone to carry guns to feel safe?


I'd rather live in a society where everyone was armed than one where the government told us we could in no way arm ourselves.
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And if the other guy has a gun? Can you end someone's life with out hesitation? Can the other guy? Do you REALLY want to find out?

Stakes are too high for me. Adding in a gun takes things to a level most people are not prepared to go.


You may not mind personally getting hurt or killed, but what if it was your wife GF or kids? Would you be prepared to stand there and watch it happen?
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Not to mention what this does to the cops, now they have to assume that anyone they meet is potentially a cop killer and most certainly armed. When you get pulled over for speeding does the cop approach your vehicle with a gun drawn? Hand on it? Here they never do.


Any good officer should be prepared for anything.
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Old 02-15-2008, 08:10 PM   #107
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It hard to say what would happen.

Even if you banned guns, before can still make them. Back in HS a few buddies and I build a hand held rail gun. We shot a 9v battery through a 6" tree.

Also there is no such thing as a safe neighbor. I was rob in a suburban neighborhood in Denver, but when I moved into Downtown Denver, everyone avoided me like I was the plague.

I am a black belt and been trained how to deal with held-up at gun point and knife point. It still didn't help cause there was two people robbing me, and the one with the gun stayed 4 feet back.

My personal thoughts are that if you going to make it harder to get guns, make it the handguns. You hear about lessing shooting from rifles then pistols.
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Old 02-15-2008, 08:24 PM   #108
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its a very simple concept. Either CHL posession for registered, educated adults is going to deter the shooter, or the armed sane person is going to snuff out the perp.
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I'd like to see statistics on crimes committed by CHL'd people with a firearm. I bet its pretty low.
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I'd like to see statistics on crimes committed by CHL'd people with their CHL. I bet its pretty low.
i heard a radio program on gun controll one night. the gun was talking about "if guns are so good, where are all the self-defense shooting" he went on to say that there really isnt very many at all because people who carry are usually able to de-fuse the problem before it gets to the point of having to actually shoot the gun. he also went on to explain that there have been studies that show the tougher the gun laws, the more crime there is.

edit: did a search, the guys name is John Longenecker
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Old 02-15-2008, 09:23 PM   #111
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Maybe I'm being somewhat harsh and speaking in sweeping generalizations. Perhaps some of them are capable of carrying firearms. But I'm not about to arm everyone to find out.

I may be wrong (in your mind) but at least I don't live somewhere I feel I have to carry a gun ... for whatever reason. Are you telling me that you'd rather live in a society that requires everyone to carry guns to feel safe?
Why not, the military arms thousands of 18 year kids every year with very few incidents. One might even argue that they are less mature and more "retarded" than your average college student... at least that's what we are led to believe by the ivory tower elite.

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Why not, the military arms thousands of 18 year kids every year with very few incidents. One might even argue that they are less mature and more "retarded" than your average college student... at least that's what we are led to believe by the ivory tower elite.

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Yes but the 18 year old guys in the military are properly brainwashed not to think for themselves. The average college student is encouraged to think for themselves.

Dude, I feel safer knowing that MOST of the date raping drunk frat boys aren't carrying a glock where I have to work.
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I'd rather live in a society where everyone was armed than one where the government told us we could in no way arm ourselves.
First as so many have said, you don't really need the government to allow you to arm yourself. If you want to own a gun you can. So if you are thinking of over throwing the government you're probably ok, just go buy an illegal gun and call it a day.

I like living in a city where the idea of needing to carrying a gun is truly unfathomable. If that means I give up my "right" to carry a gun, then so be it.
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Tougher gun laws make for higher crime rates? Err Japan, Britain, France, and Italy? Is that all true

Without hard facts or statistics this is going down hill quickly.

Yet everyones ignoring the simplest and right solution. Muskets.

I wonder how many times an individual walked into a crowd and just went on a stabbing rampage... and how many people they killed.
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Tougher gun laws make for higher crime rates? Err Japan, Britain, France, and Italy? Is that all true

Without hard facts or statistics this is going down hill quickly.
the first result from searching "crime rates gun control" in google

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http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0210e.asp

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http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0211f.asp
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oh yeah thats a good site to start with. I was looking for just statistics. I dont need someone to draw conclusions for me.
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the first result from searching "crime rates gun control" in google

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http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0210e.asp

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http://www.fff.org/freedom/fd0211f.asp
You don't think that site has a "small" bias?
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Why not, the military arms thousands of 18 year kids every year with very few incidents.

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Are you serious??? maybe not against each other, but plenty of innocent people/civilians are killed in wars when the young and inexperienced are put in a highly stressed environment with a gun in their hands. Not to mention the ones old and young who have intentionally killed people out of hate/racism/stupidity.
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You don't think that site has a "small" bias?
that was just the first result in a google search
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