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Old 10-14-2010, 02:00 AM   #21
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My car costs less to own and insure win win situation. I dont have any stupid smog bs screaming at me all the time to not kill trees and club baby seals and, I dont feel like i am destroying a major investment when i decide to make a change(more boost) or try and unorthodox part(WI and wet nitrous shot) etc.
The simplicity of the miata wins hands down for me. I dont want to have to get out the multi meter/scantool/osciliscope, to diagnose why my throttle by wire is having a hicup on down shifts and lagging the rpms. I just trace the cable and figure out wtf is going on. (Another huge bonus is that my car cant be onstarred to stop at a railraod track or just die while merging onto a highway ) Slim chance i know but it is there if not with malice than maybe from someone leaning on the wrong console or pushing the wrong button or some pc glitch. To much tech gets in the way of driving and ultimatly will make us worse drivers.
I totally agree and love the simplicity in my track car and my daily driver, and that's probably while I'll never buy an expensive, new car. The cheap consumable are great too.
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ok, the gtr i can believe. i've seen those and they are indeed fast on track. but i'm not so sure i subscribe to the notion other cars are fast.

witness bmw 135i. randy managed to flog it around laguna seca @ 1:46.X (from the sound of it, on streets). this is a sec or 2 slower than what the spec miata guys run iirc. iirc sav ran a 1:36.X

so looks like a well driven 135i is slightly lower than 1.6 na miata on sticky rubber. seems reasonable 135i on sticky rubber would be similar speed to slower turbo miatas, but i would be surprised if one could make it into 1:3X

is this a different situation than before?


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Oh come on, its a 135i.....That thing is like the Ford Tempo of BMWs. It is a luxurious econobox.
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The answer is MOAR BOOST
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Oh come on, its a 135i.....That thing is like the Ford Tempo of BMWs. It is a luxurious econobox.
Yeah and for a cheap transfer of money, that thing can be tuned to make much bigger numbers. Stock they're "meh", but it doesn't take much to make them fast.....but they still suck for not having a LSD.
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You too mr 18psi. ****. Your turbo is bigger than mine AND you have e85. What are you waiting for?
lol I would but I don't have ferrari's or z06's chasing me around here and am perfectly happy at my current power level.


hustler your setup will take 20psi and like it. you have the built motor, you have the drivetrain, and the suspension. only thing stopping you from being much faster is you.
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New cars have gotten much faster. Hell, a new Toyota Camry V6 is almost as fast in the 1/4 as the mustang GT's were just a few years ago. Last time I was at the drags I lost to a cadillac escalade by about an inch, I had the shittiest launch ever, but still... I think I'm going to hold off on any real go fast miata goodies for awhile until I can get my hands on a 2011 5.0. It comes to a point where it just makes more sense to go with another platform.
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lol I would but I don't have ferrari's or z06's chasing me around here and am perfectly happy at my current power level.


hustler your setup will take 20psi and like it. you have the built motor, you have the drivetrain, and the suspension. only thing stopping you from being much faster is you.
The 6-speed and eventually the rear end can't take it. I can go a lot faster without turning up the boost. Watch my Hallett vid, the car is moving.
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Ford Taurus SHO. Twin-turbocharged family sedan. 365 AWHP.
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ok, if bmw 135i is not what you guys are talking about, somebody please enlighten me with some numbers for a different car which is soo fast.

i'm pretty happy w/ my car. i have drivetrain with good potential. the battle will be in learning to drive it. the brave curve seems non-linear.

oh, there is a 2nd battle. i was planning on going e85. if i crank it up with say, a 3071 to around 400hp the logistics of e85 become quite pita. is it worth carrying around containers to fill up the gas tank for each session? shoot, probably wouldn't even make it through a session @ 400hp. thats like 60 gallons per day. i'd need a transfer pump. ug.

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Oh come on, its a 135i.....That thing is like the Ford Tempo of BMWs. It is a luxurious econobox.
I wouldn't laugh at the 135i. Apparently for ~ 2.5k you can get 400+hp and 380ft lbs and keep a warranty. ECU flash and exhaust.

$1500 gets you those same numbers but no warranty.

That car will make you its bitch. Don't know how it handles though
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Feel. Lots of newer, big iron cars don't have much of it…compared to Miatas. That's a big part of the enjoyment, for me anyway. Some newer cars drive more like video games.
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Feel. Lots of newer, big iron cars don't have much of it…compared to Miatas. That's a big part of the enjoyment, for me anyway. Some newer cars drive more like video games.
Do you have datalogs to confirm this...
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Do you have datalogs to confirm this...
LOL...I made 3 local guys' cars drive less like video games and they are STILL thanking me.
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Do you have datalogs to confirm this...
I do have some, yes.
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The 6-speed and eventually the rear end can't take it. I can go a lot faster without turning up the boost. Watch my Hallett vid, the car is moving.
sav has no problem with his at 350whp.
and if you know that your biggest limiting factor is your driving right now then wtf is the point in crying about faster cars?

go to the track more often and get the experience to rape face s0n.

Your vids/pics are getting more interesting recently. You're doin something right
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Ford Taurus SHO. Twin-turbocharged family sedan. 365 AWHP.
awhp? They are awd?
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awhp? They are awd?
and they only weigh 2.25 tons!
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New cars have gotten much faster. Hell, a new Toyota Camry V6 is almost as fast in the 1/4 as the mustang GT's were just a few years ago. Last time I was at the drags I lost to a cadillac escalade by about an inch, I had the shittiest launch ever, but still... I think I'm going to hold off on any real go fast miata goodies for awhile until I can get my hands on a 2011 5.0. It comes to a point where it just makes more sense to go with another platform.
A new regular (not Shelby) Mustang GT with a spool rear, slicks, exhaust, and 100shot ran a 10.9. Still had the stock cats and even the stock intake/filter.
http://www.stangtv.com/forum/jpc-rac...cond-6856.html

But I agree with new cars being like video games... somebody a few days ago here said they walked into BMW dealership and wanted to drive a manual on a test-drive and the salesguy said "Why you want wanna those?"... pretty ******* lame the way some things go.

I'm a bit baffled why some manufacturers don't offer "stripper" cars to customers as special orders in low numbers. I'd love to get a new something off the showroom floor with no radio, electric nothing, manual seats, donut spares all around, etc... They could even keep the intake and exhaust (yah, yah, emissions) and half a dozen other things. I'm not in the market for anything new right now, but just saying. Obviously it would have to be an all or nothing special order.

I think it's bullshit that when you want to buy just one option on a new car (sunroof), you also have to buy the "technology package" or some other bullshit that end up running you like $5k.
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yeah, it is bullshit. At one point I wanted a base RX-8 with a sunroof, no can do! you have to get the sport package, with the Xenon lights, the "blose" stereo, etc for another $5k, just for the damn sunroof.

If you want data on the factory "stripper" cars just look at the '03 club sport miata, they just could not sell, but the SCCA requirement may have had something to do with that as well.
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Whorepower development...

Mustang

1974-78 base engine 83-92hp. Top engine 122-139hp
1979-93 base engine 85-105hp. Top engine 140-235hp
1994-04 base engine 145-190hp. Top engine 215-390hp
2005-10 base engine 210-305hp. Top engine 300-550hp

Corvette

1975-77 165-205hp
1978-82 185-200hp
1984-96 230-330hp
1997-04 345-405hp
2005-10 400-638hp

When the base v6 engine in the Mustang makes over 300hp we are definetely in a hp war. Just as we have to upgrade everything in the car to support more horsepower the manufacturers are doing the same. Upgrading brakes, suspension, chassis, tires, etc.
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